How a Cover-Up Works

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  1. jack4freedom

    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who was in charge of building security?
     
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    The Port Authority.
     
  3. holston

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    That's according to DeBunkos. Nobody knows how to spin like Zionist propagandizers.

    http://www.911myths.com/html/stratesec.html

    Saying the Port Authority was responsible for WTC Security would not be much different than saying that the NYPD has responsibility for security there. That's not to say that the guards themselves would have anything to do with installing security systems or formulating plans, as Kroll Associates were hired to do anymore than a security guard at a shopping mall would have to do with the electrical grid in the complex.

    The statement the spinmeisters use to back this up is a quote from a security guard, David Lim.
    They would have you believe that the people who were actually in charge of things at the WTC bldgs, couldn't possibly pull a fast one on Officer Lim and his bomb sniffing dogs.

    http://newsmine.org/content.php?ol=9-11/forewarned/security-lowered-right-before-911.txt
    http://www.nynewsday.com/news/local/manhattan/wtc/ny-nyaler122362178sep12,0,6794009.story


    Apparently they would also have you disregard the role that Kroll Associates as well as Securacom could have played.




    Stratesec





    Bottom line:

    The people who engineered the demolitions had to be among those who gave the orders and hired the employees.

    Not everybody including the janitors and food vendors had to be involved.

    Numerous Mossad agents were in the vicinity when the attacks occurred. What were they doing posing as a moving company with moving vans? And what were they doing when they were arrested in vans that had "tons of explosives" in them?

    De Bunkos want you to believe that the woman who spied the dancing Mossad agents and called the cops on them because of their suspicious behavior lied about it. Why would she think they were acting suspiciously enough to think that she ought to call the cops? Was it because she was a "conspiracy nut" who wanted to get in on the act before the fad caught on?

    And why would the cops who arrested the Israelis lie about it?

    Why would the police haul them in for interrogation?

    What were they doing with explosives?

    Why did they say things like "We are not your problem." ?

    Why were the records of their interviews considered classified information?

    Why did these spies get nothing more than deported?

    And then there were the police radio transmissions about the van with the mural of jets crashing into the WTC center painted on the side.

    Were these falsified reports?

    Who would be fabricating all these stories?


    The list of similar questions to these which could be posited about every such instance of an incident or a piece of information which suggested a controlled demolitions plot and prior knowledge of the attacks would be very lengthy indeed. In fact, such a list would be prohibitively long to include in a several posts, or perhaps an entire thread, even several threads according to how detailed you wanted to get.


    After a while, the number of excuses and hem hawing that De Bunkos have to resort to piles up to the point that one can not help but realize that someone is covering something up.

    If you are honest with yourself and pursue this things long enough, you can not come to any other conclusion.

    These people are going to lie about these things. They have no choice.


    They cannot ascribe a profit motive to everyone who has reached that conclusion any more than they can say that everyone who say so must be a "nut" or an "anti-semite".

    The odds that all these people can be written off this way and that all the suspicious anomalies can be dismissed with a shrug would be something on the order of a person hitting 10 out of 10 free throws from full court.
     
  4. holston

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    De Bunkos want everyone to go trailing off on insignificant or inconsequential details. The object there is to break your focus on the major body of evidence by getting you to focus on minutia. For instance, in De Bunko link at the top of the page you will find this sort of thing:

    and

    But then they admit:

    So they admit that "maybe" they "missed something".

    That is an understatement.

    In the process of scrutinizing needle after needle on a tree here and there, they have apparently missed seeing the forest.

    viz

    http://1933key.com/9-11-Conspiracy/How-Why-the-World-Trade-Center-fell-on-9-11

    These liars keep calling me a liar. But you will notice that all they ever do is say something like "We've debunked that." "You are a liar." "That's bull(*)(*)(*)(*)." and etc.

    Their ploy here is to act the moron to such an extent that I am supposed to either get infuriated and supply them with something to discredit myself or else get disgusted an quit. It's similar to Br'er Foxes use of the Tar Baby on Br'er Rabbit.


    De Bunkos will use any trick they can conjure up. Jew disinformation agents are no more concerned with reason or truth than they are with the health and welfare of babies under their phosphorus bombs. All they care about is having everything their way and getting everything that they want.

    Eventually you realize that there is no compromising with them. They want nothing less than full capitulation and will use any means to get it.
    That is why people ultimately find them insufferable and decide that the only way to deal with them is not at all.

    Don't expect anything else from them unless you want to be their next Putz.

    http://newsmine.org/content.php?ol=9-11/forewarned/able-danger-officer-expands-allegations.txt


    De Bunkos say that Lt Col Anthony Shaffer was a lying "anti-semitic" "conspiracy nut".

    De Bunkos say that about anybody that questions the 9/11 Kosher account of 9/11.


    I mean, what can you say if they keep insisting?

    You don't really believe that's true about all those people do you?

    That would be like saying all Jews are money hungry, that all Muslims want to cut your head off or that all white gentile men are bigots. I have to preface "white man" with gentile in this context otherwise someone might think I was including the Jews, who also say they are white (anti-semitism?). And everyone knows that no Jew could possibly be a bigot anymore than one could possibly tell a lie.
     
  5. Patriot911

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    Showing two examples of poor accounting as PROOF the Pentagon hasn't reconciled some of its books is bull(*)(*)(*)(*). The only thing it proves is there were two examples of poor accounting practices. That may be proof in the truther handbook, but here in the real world that isn't enough.

    Try to follow along, pimptight. This isn't all about you. This is about holston's claim that Zakheim stole 3 trillion dollars from the government. You responded that I was wrong because of other examples of accounting irregularity. I am asking you to address this specific issue by pointing out where my sources are wrong.

    You would (*)(*)(*)(*) that up as well it seems.

    You didn't show my source lacks credibility. You showed two examples out of hundreds of thousands of examples of third party audit failures. That is epic failure on your part because you didn't even address my sources. Your retarded methodology is akin to pretending some guy you don't like the looks of is guilty of murder because two other guys you didn't like the looks of murdered someone. Like I said, that might be good enough for someone like you who is lacking the mental facilities to properly follow logic, but here in the real world, people understand that other people's guilty doesn't make another person guilty.

    You claim you know nothing and then make assertions like the government audit is wrong based on other audits that failed. You're a liar no matter which way you look at it because either you don't know anything in which case you're lying about the audit being wrong, or you're lying about knowing nothing. Which is it?

    Sure do. Look up GAO and third party verification. ;-)

    Is that the test you took and passed with flying colors? Here is the auditing standards the GAO operates under. Please show us your auditing genius by showing us how the GAO is not a valid auditing organization. Explain to us how the GAO can do an audit and not be considered third party when their primary requirement is as follows:

    Isn't that the very definition of third party? Free from all ties? You must have graduated that class with honors.
     
  6. Patriot911

    Patriot911 New Member Past Donor

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    Your failures in confusing ASSumptions with logic are not only epic, but hilarious! You start off with a blatantly false ASSumption that no evidence was third party verified or had a chain of custody. Then you move on to pretend that this is the ONLY evidence to be believed which is blatantly NOT true. Eyewitnesses are not third party verified nor do they have a chain of custody. Did the flight trainers that taught several of the known hijackers how to fly have to go through third party verification or should they be completely ignored like you want to do to maintain your pristine level of ignorance?

    My logic isn't at fault. You confusing ASSumptions for logic shows you and logic aren't even acquainted.

    I've shown you where you claim you know nothing and then claim truther sites sometimes have great information. If you know nothing, how do you know the information is true and valid, thus making it great? The fact you wish to try and hide behind ignorance does not hide the fact you are indeed a truther in that you believe the government story is false. You have no proof of this other than your complete dismissal of any and all evidence since you want to pretend none of it has been verified and none of it has a chain of custody. It is a bull(*)(*)(*)(*) excuse. I know it. You know it. No skin off my nose if you want to continue making a fool of yourself.

    Evidence by and large cannot be submitted in a court of law without meeting those minimum requirements. I've asked you to show how either the Eastern District Court of Virginia is exempt from these standards or to show how the evidence did not meet these requirements. Unless you can do that, it is LOGICAL that the evidence meets the minimum standards required by a court of law, does it not? Now, you've already shown how you don't get along with logic, so how about you explain how evidence can be submitted in a court of law in the US that does not meet such requirements. If you can't, then logic dictates the evidence used in the Moussaoui trial to prove Al Qaeda was behind the attacks is true evidence that meets the minimum requirements for evidence.

    Yes, you are spinning quite rapidly. Think anyone other than you is getting dizzy?

    Evidence. Unless you can prove there was an exemption for this evidence in this trial, the very fact it was used shows the evidence has a chain of custody. Most of the evidence was collected by the FBI. I suppose you want everyone to believe the FBI doesn't understand or follow the rules regarding maintaining the validity of evidence, right? Man, you sure do demand everyone to take MASSIVE leaps of faith that you are right and everyone else is wrong.

    The fact you can't refute my claims and have been caught in a clear and unavoidable lie you refuse to admit to shows that the only similarity in our posts is that they are in English.
     
  7. Patriot911

    Patriot911 New Member Past Donor

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    :lol: Wow. I've seen pathetic excuses before, but this is ridiculous! The link works just fine for me. Here is the preamble before the links to both the evidence provided by the prosecution as well as the defense.

    If you still can't view the link, I suggest upgrading that Commodore 64 and get something that can actually follow a link.
     
  8. Patriot911

    Patriot911 New Member Past Donor

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    Hey holston! Why are you running from addressing your blatant lies about Zakheim stealing trillions? Don't you want to prove you're telling the truth? Or can we take your running as admission you are lying your ass off once again.
     
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  10. holston

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    There you are Jewish Patriot. It's one thing for you to continue to lie. But please stop running away like a little girl and show us your sources. We've seen enough of your panties.

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    This is akin to a little girl misbehaving and then pleading, "Please don't pull my panties down."
     
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    This is a great web site.


    http://1933key.com/9-11-Conspiracy/How-Why-the-World-Trade-Center-fell-on-9-11

    It's chocked with thought provoking and useful information.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RvLL--vSsA&mode=related&search=
    [video=youtube;9RvLL--vSsA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RvLL--vSsA&mode=related&search=[/video]

    The Zakheim spin.

    http://http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=43927
    Paraphrasing: "That is not pee pee running down your leg."



    http://solari.com/articles/missing_money/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj1rT4bszWg

    http://www.whereisthemoney.org/1.1trillion.htm
     
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    What were all those Mossad agents doing running around in NYC on 9/11 driving vans?

    What were they doing with explosives?
    Why were so many of those rounded up determined to be explosive experts?

    Why did they choose a moving company for a front?

    Why did the woman report the high fiveing dancing Israeli Mossad agents?

    Why did the State Department classify information obtained from there interview? (Israelis aren't interrogated in the US, they are interviewed.)

    And why did the company all just fold up and run away like a bunch of little girls after they got caught with their panties down?


    OK Israeli Patriot. You've already told us that they were on vacation and were only out for a drive looking for ice cream. Show us your sources and not another bunch of bull(*)(*)(*)(*).


    Just tell the truth. You will feel so much better if you come clean.

    And stop PMing me asking me to fix you up with Pimp. Ask him yourself. There is no need trying to disguise your true feelings.

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    Why do you ask questions based on false premises?
     
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    Patriot911 New Member Past Donor

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    I fully sourced the ass kicking you received. You lying about me not sourcing my claims is easy for anyone interested to check if they wish to prove to themselves you are lying. Here is the ass kicking holston received. Note that each and every point made is followed by sources. Yet here holston is pretending I have not sourced anything. Is it any wonder his credibility is shot? :lol:
     
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    As usual you are lying your a$$ off. Your sources are just bull(*)(*)(*)(*). You have zero credibility and you are just trying to cover the fact that I have blistered your butt pink so many times that it has become it's permanent color. Now stop crying before I bust it again.
    I know you like it.:p
     
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    http://newsmine.org/content.php?ol=9-11/forewarned/former-fbi-chief-asks-why-commission-ignored-able-danger.txt

    "Conspiracy nuts"
     
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    http://newsmine.org/content.php?ol=9-11/forewarned/911-warned-lies.txt

    tsk tsk. If Fleischer wasn't a Jew, he would be getting lumps of coal for Christmas.

    So all those FBI agents who said they were being stonewalled and ordered to step down were telling the truth. For a minute there I was beginning to think that the FBI must be loaded with "conspiracy nuts" too. It looks like Joseph Lieberman or some Rabbi ought to be able to do something about that.

    Fleischer’s statement that adequate warnings had been given to appropriate federal agencies falls flat on its face. Two of the most “appropriate” agencies would have been the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and the U.S. Air Force and Air National Guard.
    There must be more people lying about 9/11 than any other thing in history..........either way you look at it!
     
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    http://newsmine.org/content.php?ol=9...arned-lies.txt
    There were lots of coinkydinks having to do with 9/11, an unusually high number of them, anomalies in the stock market being only one.

    Bear in mind, I am not a big fan of Michael C. Ruppert. He appears to me to be one of those "blame it all on Bush and oil and the Grand Good Ol' gentile Boys" conspiracy team.
    What they do is similar to what the Zionists of the Tea Party and Libertarian movements do.
    They play to the interests and beliefs of gentiles who had rather bash their own than even suggest that a Jew somewhere might have something up his sleeve.

    Their success in steering their Putz audiences off course is to feed them a healthy dollop of truth which by itself is convincing enough to cause the less suspicious (more gullible or amiable) to be persuaded that they must be telling the whole truth and not omitting any parts of it. These Putzes mostly belong to the community of JUDEOxtians who like the cozy feeling of being in bed with the Jews who are screwing them up their poop shoots. Ask Jewish Patriot. He knows what I mean.

    At any rate, you have to learn how to separate the wheat from the chaff.

    How this pertains to the above article can be summed up thusly; financial experts realize the significance of the put options whereas those who were charged with being the government spokesmen dismissed the instances of it altogether, saying that "There was no evidence that Osama Bin Laden was in the stock market." If that doesn't make you want to laugh I won't bother trying to explain to you how impertinent that is.

    And as with other 9/11 information available which would have caused a firestorm of media interest had Zionists not been implicated, the whole deal was quietly swept under the rug.
     
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    Why do you attempt to give answers based on false premises?
     
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    poor truthers like holston,it's like watching 'seven degrees of 9/11 separation'
     
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    Oh, so NOW I have sources. You said before I didn't have sources. Got caught with your panties down again. LOL!

    So, rather than just state my sources are bull(*)(*)(*)(*), how about backing that claim up? Oh wait. You used the same source I did in one of your lameassed claims! So are you now admitting you are using bull(*)(*)(*)(*) sourc

    Sorry, charlie, but I've proven you are a liar. I didn't just make the claim like you always do. I backed it up with facts and sources. You couldn't even respond other than to whine I didn't source my claims. When your blatant lie was uncovered, you then claim my sources are bull(*)(*)(*)(*). You couldn't even begin to refute what I wrote! How utterly pathetic and predictable. Hate to break it to you, but just tossing around some insults and running scared is NOT a tactic for winning a debate.
     
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    Holston, you REALLY need to make up your mind. You're all over the place. First you were pretending it was the government. Then the Jews. Now we're back to Al Qaeda and Able Danger might have been able to uncover the plot. Pick a theory and stick with it. How can you gain any credibility when you can't even stick to a theory?
     
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    So when are you going to address the fact the same institutional investor that purchased all the put options on United purchased around the same amount of stock in American Airlines? If he had insider information, why didn't he also buy put options on American Airlines?

    I love how truthers only present part of the story and not the entire story because the whole truth instead of part truth and a (*)(*)(*)(*)-ton of lies would immediately expose their bull(*)(*)(*)(*) agendas for what they are. Truthers are not looking for the truth. They are looking to demonize the groups they hate in order to advance their agenda against them. Holston hates Jews, so everything is focused on the Jews. Others hate the government so everything is focused on the government. Others hate the NWO or the Illuminati. Their tactics are all the same. Lie your ass off and blame the group you wish to hate. Despicable.
     
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    This is how critical thinking works! If I know that their has been wide spread accounting fraud that has threatened the stability of the "WORLD ECONOMY", then the burden of proof for proper accounting lands on you!

    You just keep playing back to people's emotions, that authority doesn't have to meet this standard, which is what makes you a child!


    So who are the 3 parties then genius?

    The Pentagon is the first party. (The accused)

    The GAO is the second party. (The police)

    Who is the 3rd party?

    Or am I to accept that the accused is also an acceptable source as to judge their own guilt?
     

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