FBI: More People Killed with Hammers, Clubs Each Year Than Rifles

I gave a glass of 6% wine to wyly Jr (12yrs) and he spit it out, I can't figure out how you would get a class 22 six yr olds to drink high proof liquor...

 

Like... of alcohol poisoning?

Or can we be realistic and add... DUI crashes... gross negligence etc...

 

meaningless, meaningless, and meaningless...

 

if you're being realistic how many DUI are committed with the intent of killing kids or killing anyone? auto crashes are accidents whether they're DUI's or not, mass shooting are not accidents...

 

Not to mention that, with the exception of its gan ban laws, Japan is very far from a liberal country.

 

So it is your presumption that the drunk driver was unaware that it was deadly behavior, or had no choice to drive?

 

For the life of me, I just can't recollect the last mass murder where the killer used a club or a hammer. Not saying it hasn't happened, but . . .

 

you're stretching to make a point where there isn't one...DUI's are not done with the intent to slaughter people, it's careless and even criminal behavior but it's not murder... there is no analogy to be made with mass shootings...

 

rare, clubbing people to death would be fatiguing, potential victims tend to run away in different directions and the perp is likely to be outnumbered and overpowered...

 

manslaughter at most in rational civilized parts of the world...

 

... confused now...

 

...and they have no Rights, either. Rights require that you defend them against any and all that strip them away from you.
No Rights, no need for guns.
Slaves and subjects aren't allowed to defend themselves.
Citizens are.

 

looks like a fine drop across the board. Numbers decreasing......violence decreasing
Now this scares me, that our blunt object murders are starting resemble Australia's numbers
Hmmmmmmmmmmm, knives and cutting objects out did general rifles category.
Guess those static driven people will denounce this too.............but thanks. Very informative.
It supports this:
http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/...d-States/Crime
....the bottom line is that you actually have more crime in Aussieland than America
Australia has 30.1% as compared to the US which has 21.1%.............your material is outdated and flawed.....
currently Australia has a rape factor or 150% greater than the US
There is a comparison to suicides rates, Australia still leads the US.
Assault victims is greater than America by 100%
You also scored higher on the bribe index with an astounding rate of 31.1%
and you should be ashamed of your software piracy rates
Rape victims? You still surpass the US.....
More overall crime in Australia per capita than the US.....
..."But.....But......But, we have no gun mass killings" ......poor substitute for an argument..............

 

I see. So I should accept all the crap you throw out from Wikipedia and MotherJones of all places but as soon as I link a CNN article "the media" becomes unreliable.

How do you not see how infinitely stupid that is? You're presenting incidences of mass murder and then saying that not of them were stopped by armed civilians. HAD THEY BEEN STOPPED THEN THEY WOULDN'T BE CLASSIFIED AS MASS MURDERS, WOULD THEY??!! The Pearl MS incident being a case in point. It's like the polio vaccine analogy I relayed to you earlier. I could point to all the cases of polio the world over and say, "See! Vaccination obviously doesn't work. If you think that it does then show me JUST ONE case of polio that was prevented by the vaccine." For some reason, you see that as a valid argument. I assure you that it is not.

 

This is simply referred to a fallacy by means of special pleading:
Special Pleading
A case of special pleading is a person's holding others to a different standard to himself (or someone who represents his case), without justification for the different standard. A Christ-myth skeptic asks a Christian to prove that Christ was real. When the Christian asks the myther to prove his version of Christ-myth is true, he refuses to. He must provide a reason why his belief is exempt from the same scrutiny the Christian's belief gets. If he doesn't give justification, or if the given reason is irrelevant, that is special pleading. http://www.tektonics.org/guest/fallacies.html

 

No I am saying that if you lower the bar to fewer deaths and look that those incidents (and I did give a quote) there are bloody few to exceedingly few where an armed civilian has stopped the shooting

How would an armed civilian stop a drive by shooting?

How could an armed citizen stand up to continuous fire?

How could an armed citizen stop an assailant who is wearing armour?

And even if you do there will be those who strap explosives to themselves in the HOPE you will shoot and take out everyone near you

Look at the list here - how many of those were stopped by armed citizens?
http://www.thenation.com/blog/171774/fifteen-us-mass-shootings-happened-2012-84-dead#

Or on a longer timeline

http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/dataondemand/165757356.html
Look at the graph accompanying that article and tell me where CCW has caused a decrease in the numbers of mass murders

 

The best way to stop gun violence is a stronger crackdown on the street gangs epidemic that continues to grow and degrade entire communities.

The nutter going on a delusion based killing spree doesn't account for a whole lot of the deaths .. Also the war on terror is a misappropriation of priority.

Innocents are shot up by the street gang terrorists every day, but we became so accustomed to it and more or less regard them like mosquitos as though it's just something we have to live with. Therefore they aren't sensational like the killing sprees by psychopaths and such.. As an example, many more innocents were killed by street gangs since 9/11 than who were killed on 9/11. It's like twice as many or more.

 

You have to be a little more selective when choosing victims for your clubbing rampages and maybe narrow targets down to one or two. Same with hammers and knives and even guns with small magazines. Assault guns just seem to turn killing into a massive random death event.

 

So then you retract your earlier false statement, correct?

Why not just admit that your "research" consists of reading an uber-biased article from Mother Jones and that you don't really know what you're talking about? At least Creation was smart enough to disappear once he was proven wrong.

 

Maybe that is why it is illegal to drink and drive. Your analogy just got busted.

 

Deal.

I'm an expert grenadier.