Bonds & Clemens may never get into Hall of Fame

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Basically because of the 2 kinds of distinct groups of voters who voted and will for these guys ... the never ever voters; and the not this year voters ...


Will Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens ever get into the Hall of Fame ?

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...emens-ever-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/related/

If you had asked me before 2pm today I would have guessed that Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens would have received around 50% of the vote.


Not a lot given their baseball accomplishments, but a healthy vote for two players so thoroughly associated with PEDs.

But they fell far short: Clemens received 37.6% of the vote, Bonds 36.2%.


The never ever voters will, obviously, never-ever vote for a PED user.

They have drawn a bright moral line and will not consider these two no matter what happens.
The not this year voters are voters who took Bonds’ and Clemens’ first year on the ballot as an opportunity to lodge a protest vote.

I recall reading many columns by these sorts, all of whom said some version of “I may vote for them in the future, but I don’t know what to do with them now …” or something like it.


For Clemens and Bonds to make it in, that second camp has to be gigantic.

And frankly, I can’t see it being such a large group of people that it will allow them to jump up by nearly 40% in the vote be it next year or ten years from now.
Given how low their vote totals are the never ever camp has to comprise more than 25% of the electorate, and it only takes one more than 25% of the electorate to block a player.

Maybe attrition changes this, but I have my doubts. It’s fashionable to say that the “old man” voters oppose Bonds and Clemens and then assume that, over time, those voters will die off while younger, more progressive voters fill the BBWAA’s ranks.

But I don’t necessarily buy that.
There are a lot of “old man” voters who don’t think PEDs are a mortal sin.

Maybe because they remember segregation and its after effects, greenies, cocaine and all manner of other bad things and know (*)(*)(*)(*) well that there are worse things in baseball than someone taking steroids.

Meanwhile, there are a lot of Hall of Fame voters south of 50 who are among the most virulent anti-PED guys as you’ll find anywhere.
Even if you’re counting on attrition, it’s going to take longer than the 14 years Bonds and Clemens have on the ballot to make a difference.


No, the only chance those two have to make the Hall of Fame is for some sort of fundamental change in the process to happen.

For the BBWAA to alter the composition of its electorate, for MLB and the Hall of Fame to come out with some sort of formal diktat that PED use should not be considered in Hall of Fame voting or for the BBWAA to have the Hall of Fame vote taken away from it altogether.

I don’t see any of those three things happening.

And for that reason, I don’t see Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens getting into the Hall of Fame without a ticket any time soon.



Bonds & Clemens

 

i got some Clemens and Bonds rookie cards i am holding on to them why because this guy
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was just as bad, but had great stats and his rookie card $$$.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ty_Cobb

 

They should never get in.

They had a distinct advantage over other players so anything they did we will never know if it was actually because of talent or the drugs.

 

The entire era is tainted. Wipe it out. From 1986-2005, wipe everything. All records expunged, all players permanently ineligible for the Hall of Fame. Wipe it out.

 

LMAO @ baseball.

If you aren't from NY, or Boston, and are under 40, baseball is a dead sport to you!!

This is what happens when you have no parity in your sport!

You listening NBA?

 

yeah but there rebels to the system and WOW did they smashed the ball in the 1990s,
catcher saying oh its out of the park
if there was steroids back in the those days i bet ty cobb would of used them just to enhance the game.

 

It's bull.

The sanctimony of the baseball "writers" is based on the fact that Bonds, McGuire, Clemens and Sosa refused to give them the "story."

That these people and Pete Rose are not in the hall is proof of what a joke the hall really is.

 

They may have had an advantage, but they are no more to blame than the owners, commissioner and fans. In 1994, the lock-out and subsequent missed World Series (invoking Godwin here: Hitler couldn't cancel a World Series) threatened to crush baseball. The owners and commissioner turned a blind eye to performance-enhancing drug use. Everyone was hitting the snot out of the ball. It put butts back in the seats. Everyone knew they were using drugs. If you didn't, you were either naive, stupid or intellectually dishonest. If you want to penalize players like McGwire, Bonds, Sosa and Clemens, fine. But you need to penalize everyone from that era.

This isn't the first time there have been no inductees. It probably won't be the last. I think this is nothing more than a clear message to Bonds, Clemens and others that they are being snubbed. They'll be in. Their shenanigans were less onerous than Pete Rose, who I think should be in and probably will be after he passes away.

 

I disagree. Albert Pujols has NEVER tested positive for ANYTHING, other than the most remarkable first ten years in baseball history.

 

McGwire used CREATIN, which is NOT a steroid, and was ABSOLUTELY LEGAL TO USE WHNE HE DID...
It is a common workout enhancer/optimizer, used by high school kids today...

 

Personally, I'd let them all in, as I see steroids as just another form of cheating. Back in the 1970's, amphetamines were the drug of choice. Then you have guys like Gaylord Perry who admitted doctoring the ball throughout his career, which is also cheating.

 

And ...steroid all you want, you still need the hand-to-eye coordination and/or the ptching chops to excell in the Bigs....

 

How is Cobb as "bad" as two notorius steroid users?

 

I can't let the cheaters in , just can't do it ... It's a shame to the players who remained clean and tried to fight through the muck ... Ken grifffy

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4816607
McGwire apologizes for steroid usage. Apparently he doesn't realize he never was on 'roids.

 

They're cheats and liars...Eff 'em.

 

HGH and CREATIN are not steroids, despite many thinking otherwise. I'd like to see the SPECIFIC PEDs McGwire used, none of which were named, bedsides HGH....

 

What I find amusing is that there is so much outrage over steroid use in baseball, yet nobody cares when football players use them.

 

McGwire said he used steroids. I think he should know.

But whether creatines are steroids, technically or not, they are performance enhancing drugs and McGwire
gained an unfair competetive advantage through a hypodermic injection and, along with Bonds, Sosa, Clemens, etc. he shouldn't be rewarded for cheating. Period!

 

I think they can use steroids and die early it is their choice, as is the choice of the writers to vote for them or not.

 

I don't know about that...

Look at the NBA standings right now...

The top is pretty interesting...

 

Maybe we should ask our friend if his philosophy extends to the NHL too.

 

I don't care enough about hockey to ask...lol

 

neither of them deserve to be in the HOF since they cheated their way to get there. Hopefully A-Rod doesnt get through the doors either.

 

He played in the era, he didn't say anything. He's as guilty as Palmeiro. Silence is consent. Wipe the whole era...all records expunged, all players permanently ineligible.