An armed populace is the last, best defense against tyranny

I don't support an armed populace because most of the people who are armed don't support welfare, abortions, homosexual marriages, and universal health care, among other things.

If I am to enjoy these liberties in my country, it would take government force and an armed populace would make it harder for the government to issue its authority in my interests.

 

Are you aware that the government has REALLY powerful weapons? Like tanks and bombers and drones and chemical weapons? Tell me, how exactly are you going to fend off a chemical weapon with a Bushmaster?

The government has had overwhelming force for a century or more. When is this long-fantasized-about event going to happen?

 

Are you aware that People in the Military are Honorable and Mentally Stable?

Calm down, it is alright, we understand...

You're a Democrat and a Liberal Radical, so you're probably not very familiar with Mental Stability and Honor...


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It was a serious question. The OP says that he needs his guns to fend off government tyranny. I'm genuinely interested in how that works.

 

Just what part of Ignore Washington D.C. don't you get?


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So, the feds are going to come after you, and you just ignore them and their weapons?

 

A few Federal Police with small arms may try to come after a few citizens at first...


And when they're faced with 10-200X their number in armed citizen's, they'll go back to Washington.... or kill a bunch of honorable citizen's and get themselves killed in the process.


And then its over.


There won't be another foray from Washington, the people they choose to train in arms are STABLE, they won't continue to follow Tyranical Orders.


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So you believe they will a) disarm down to the level of the citizenry -- not bring anything stronger than semi-automatics, and b) retreat when they meet resistence, still refusing to use the overwhelming force which they possess. If they're so determined to impose tyranny, why wouldn't they come at us with everything they've got?

 

Obviously, lacking in common sense. However, lets pretend. Lets take your armed to the teeth civilian defenders of freedom....you know, a bunch of people accustom to shooting stationary targets with small arms...and put them up against an armored tank division.
See the point? We have the armored personnel carrier and a couple of tanks waiting for the "armed populace" to run out of bullets...and then politely asking them to get the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of the way.

 

No American Service Member driving a tank is going to accept orders to assault Citizens!


It is pretty obvious that you bunch Loonies have never served in the Military.


What? Did you think you could just voter fraud steal the election and then you'd have unlimited power to command the military?


LOL, what country do you think you're living in?


America has some problems, to be sure, but things haven't gone that far to socialist dictatorshiop hell.


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HA! HA, HA, HA! That is golden. You're right, the police / military has NEVER accepted orders to assault their own population. Oh, wait, they have like 99% of the time. Who do you think are the first line of defense against PROGRESS? The police in the US against the civil rights movement, the police in the US against Labor Rights, the military against the people in Argentina, Russia, China, Germany, Japan, Indonesia, Chile, Panama.....ETC! Oh, but OUR military is different...
Wow. Have you been in the military? You are aware that NOT following orders is kind of frowned upon from DAY ONE!

 

Actually, in Day One of basic training, you're given a complete copy of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The Drill Instructor who introduces the material, starts by explaining that as a soldier, you are required to follow order, or face stiff penalties. He then goes on to explain that it does NOT mean that you follow ANY orders given, you are required to discern and follow only LAWFUL orders. You then proceed to spend the next 3.5 days reading through and discussing each and every article of the UCMJ, and how that is defining what LAWFUL orders are and are NOT.


As I remember it, not too many of the people who made it through the prescreening process had to be told that killing American Citizens is not a lawful order.


Since I have never served in the ranks of American Law Enforcement, I cannot tell you exactly what their training is like, but suspect it is very similar, and probably allot more restrictive on what violence can be done to civilians.


Perhaps there is a reader of this thread who is a law enforcement officer who'd like to further explain the details to these... Emmm, Misguided Liberals?


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How do guns protect from a tyrannical government that has tanks, planes, and A-Bombs?

 

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The very fact that there are so many Liberal Loonies posting on this thread / forum about how Obama can always use Airstrikes and Tanks if his edicts are not followed...


... the very fact that so many idiots believing this tripe, is a great example of WHY American Citizen's need to keep their small arms.


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stable democracy for the last 200 years? ask rome what happened. no country is safe.
no grounds for a revolution to take place? How about the debt placed on our kids. how about messing around with the peoples 2nd amendment. it's not Obama's or the democrates amendment to mess with.

The revolution that you believe is not comming is already to far along to stop it, mark my words.


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Virginia is full of rednecks (in case you hadn't ever noticed).

 

You could try blasting the satellites with yer shotgun but, I'll let YOU hold the ticket for that wager and you can cash it in yourself after you try.

 

But isn't that the big fear of gun-lovers? That the government WILL attack citizens? Isn't that the whole reason we all need to be armed to the teeth?

 

Peace through strength.

If a Man won't strain and strive to defend himself, why should anyone else do so?


As long as the American People have the Ability to say NO! to Government, they won't have a need to...


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No. It's so when some idiot President decides the Congress is inconvenient and he's just going to rule by Executive Decree... er... excuse me.... Order, the People can still make their opinions heard.

 

True, but Rome had a stable Republic for over 400 years.

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Hummmmmmmmmm,.... because we would throw them out before they had the chance to get well dug in.

 

LOL. So let me see if I've got it straight: The US military, with its bombs and tanks and trained experienced soldiers, will be frightened off if only we have enough semi-automatic rifles in the hands of citizens who've never used them outside a firing range. Is that right?

 

So. How many Executive Orders is the threshhold? And once Obama crosses that line, what's going to happen? You will storm into Washington with your semi-automatic?

 

Obama won't cross that line, he's not that stupid.

 

The whole quote went like this;

"The arming of the whole proletariat with rifles, guns, and ammunition should be carried out at once [and] the workers must ... organize themselves into an independent guard, with their own chiefs and general staff. ... [The aim is] that the bourgeois democratic Government not only immediately loses all backing among the workers, but from the commencement finds itself under the supervision and threats of authorities behind whom stands the entire mass of the working class. ...As soon as the new Government is established they will commence to fight the workers. In order that this party (i.e., the democrats) whose betrayal of the workers will begin with the first hour of victory, should be frustrated in its nefarious work, it is necessary to organize and arm the proletariat."


But after they overthrew the Czar Stalin did this little number;

"If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves.”
- Joseph Stalin

Then we have the example of Hitler;

Adolf Hitler

“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let’s not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country.”
- Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942

Nazi Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

Then came Chairman Mao;

“All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party.”
- Mao Tze Tung, Nov 6 1938

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952 10,076,000 political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated in Kuomintang China, and by 1987 another 35,236,000 exterminations were carried out under the Communists.


Pol Pot
“I did not join the resistance movement to kill people, to kill the nation. Look at me now. Am I a savage person? My conscience is clear.”
- Pol Pot

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. Between 1975 and 19793, 2,035,000 “educated” people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

During the short four years of its rule in Cambodia, Pol Pot’s Khmer Rouge government murdered over 31 percent of the entire Cambodian population.


Fidel Castro
“Armas para que? (“Guns, for what?”)”
A response to Cuban citizens who said the people might need to keep their guns, after Castro announced strict gun control in Cuba.
- Fidel Castro



Beware of any politician that agrees with dictators!


Barack Hussein Obama - Promotes Gun Control


Ted Kennedy - Promoted Gun Control


Nancy Pelosi - Promotes Gun Control


Diane Feinstein - Promotes Gun Control

“US Senator, If I could have banned them all – ‘Mr. and Mrs. America turn in your guns’ – I would have!”
- Diane Feinstein, Statement on TV program 60 Minutes, Feb 5 1995