How Low Can They Go?

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/abetz-slams-greens-for-backing-hoax-20130108-2cerk.html


The Coalition have labelled the Greens the ''epitome of extremism'' for the party's support of the anti-coal hoax.

Leading the attack, the leader of the opposition in the Senate, Eric Abetz also said the Greens had a ''disrespect for the rule of law'' for congratulating an activist being investigated for a hoax that temporarily wiped more than $314 million off the value of a coal company.


Greens leader Christine Milne. Photo: Jeffrey Chan
"It's taken less than a fortnight after supposedly revising their platform for the Greens to again reveal their extreme political tendencies," Senator Abetz said in a statement.

Advertisement He linked the Greens to "extreme elements with communist connections".

"With the Greens it is always a case of the ends justifying the means,’’ he said.


Hoaxer Jonathan Moylan. Photo: Kitty Hill
On Tuesday Greens leader Christine Milne and her colleague Lee Rhiannon endorsed a controversial hoax, in which an anti-coal mining activist, Jonathan Moylan, issued a fake media release from ANZ Bank pretending that the bank had withdrawn a $1.2 billion loan facility from Whitehaven Coal because of ''unacceptable damage to the environment'' caused by the company’s Maules Creek coal project.

Mr Moylan says officers from the Australian Securities and Investments Commission (ASIC) have raided his camp in northern NSW and seized his laptop and phone. He is now obtaining legal representation.

He has admitted that to highlight environmental concerns he tricked investors by designing a fake ANZ press template, website and dummy email inbox online and by impersonating a company spokesperson.

Following the prank, shares in Whitehaven, which counts struggling coal baron Nathan Tinkler as its biggest shareholder, fell from $3.52 to $3.21 in rapid time before the stock was put into a trading halt.

Asked if he had qualms about lying to the public to achieve environmental ends, Mr Moylan, who belongs to the anti-coal mining group Frontline Action Coal, said: ‘‘Our primary concern is the impact of this mine on the environment at the end of the day.’’

On Tuesday, Senator Milne described Mr Moylan’s hoax as being ''part of a long and proud history of civil disobedience, potentially breaking the law, to highlight something wrong''.

Her comments followed a tweet by her colleague Senator Rhiannon, who wrote: ''Congrats to Jonathan Moylan, Frontline Action on Coal, for exposing ANZ investment in coalmines.''

Senator Milne’s statement and Senator Rhiannon's tweet come as the Greens try to appeal to new constituencies and recast themselves as less ‘‘extreme’’ in an election year.

Last month, the party revealed a new platform of policies aimed at presenting a smaller target to critics.

Senator Rhiannon has previously seen controversy over her support for an anti-Israel boycott policy in the 2011 NSW state election.

Last year, she apologised after it emerged she helped to ghost-write an opinion article, attacking her party for accepting a $1.7 million donation from the web entrepreneur Graeme Wood.

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If we ever needed confirmation of the hateful spite, the agenda of destruction that these people live for, here it is. These people are beneath contempt.

 

I find it hilarous that when The Greens secure good policies like a national dental scheme. Mainstream media (especially News Ltd) are nowhere to be heard of yet when this happens (which I do disagree with The Greens on) every media outlet publishes it.

What the guy did in my opinion is disgusting. I am not a fan of Whitehaven at all but there are peaceful and ethical ways of being heard.

 

Thing is, you are trying to shoot the messenger, when the real issue is that Moylan`s crimes have been condoned by Christine Milne and Lee Rhiannon. It`s easy to run a hollow PR campaign, promising a National Dental scheme, free ice cream, etc., but not credible while they have an agenda of destruction.

The Greens live OFF the enviromnent, not FOR the environment.

 

The Greens fight for a good course, that is controversial to you.
Now I don't really like or stand behind this hoax, but if it helps us to become cleaner one day, then it was for a good reason. Laws are created by a given society at a given time. One day, we will have different laws, this will always change, as circumstances always change. If you do have a good reason to act the way you think is right, then a law can be broken. That is the onliest way to progress. Unfortunately, in our redneck society, demonstrations are good for nothing.
So, although I don't think his actions were particular clever, I think they are justified.
It is like with Julian Assange, to me he is a hero, and when in 2011 the Australian of the Year was announced, it was a soldier. Julian Assange was announced as the most unaustralian of the year. That just shows, were we stand. Rednecks, that's what the majority of our nation's are....

 

So catts even if its fraud it can be an means to an end for you.

Now i understand why you support the fraudulant global warming religion.

Thanks mate for clearing the air.

 

Are you left behind? The earth is warming, thats 'a fact. Grow up, there is no fraud to global warming.

 

What Jonno did below is fraud i think he's headed for some time but for the greens to support this information without first getting all the details just shows how desperate they are to kill of the coal industry.

Have you ever considered that its the natural cycle of the Earth????????

 

Any society will always contain losers like Moylan, just a simpleton seeking "fame." More significant, is the fact that his actions have been supported by elected representatives, people who are supposed to be responsible, to care for the Nation. Moylan`s actions were criminal, he has caused people pain in a slimey and cowardly way, but he hasn`t affected the coal industry in the slightest.

 

You are a troll, that's for sure...
So burning excessive amounts of fossil fuels is the natural cycle of our earth??????????????????????????????

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just another rednecks statement...

 

just another rednecks statement...

 

You're a real corkhead aintya.

When fossil fuels were discovered they were heralded as cheap energy of everyone for the masses, for all people rich and poor alike.

Thats when the masses meant something not like these days when your lot would like to exterminate over 90% of the populace.

These days the elite have decided that cheap energy will no longer be available to the masses and they want the masses to pay through the nose for energy.

How exactly can that be accomplished well they made up a lie that CO2 can cause a runaway greenhouse effect and that it could heat the Earth up to such a point that life will cease to exist.

You belive this fairytale?

Take away energy and what exactly are you left with its not the life style we know today right now this very minute, i guess they want us to go back to the stoneage!

I repeat again that manmade CO2 accounts for 0.04% of all atmospheric CO2 in our atmosphere today.

Man throws up into the atmosphere 6 gigatonnes of CO2 per annum this is steady and increases incrimentally as more people are elevated out of third world conditions and the west further inceases and develops.

The ecosystems throw up about 720 gigatonnes per annum with the potential to increase manyfold in accordance to our suns activities it has the potential to dwarf manmade CO2 emissions if our sun heats up accordingly.

If our sun decides to have a hot season the CO2 that maybe released from the ecosystems maybe many more times the steady flowrate of 6 gigatonnes produced by man.

Go back into our history and you will find that there was once 7000ppm of CO2 in our atmosphere all produced by the ecosystems that number has come down to 390ppm today through the natural sinks of the Earth.

When we had 7000ppm the Earth didn't experience a runaway greenhouse effect and CO2 didn't initiate major climate change.

So why should we be scared if in the last 100 years our CO2 levels in the atmosphere have risen 110ppm from 280ppm to 390ppm why please tell me.

As we can see CO2 levels in our atmosphere fluctuate up and down they never stay steady.

As a matter of fact the Earth's climate is always changing with the natural cycles of the sun and its activities.

The SUN drives climate change here on Earth and on all its planets in our solar system.

CO2 is a trace gas that has never driven major climate change here on Earth as our history shows us and has never created a runaway greenhouse effect even when we had 7000ppm thats 20 times the amount we have today.

If you took away all the greenhouse gases from our atmosphere you would still be left with 95% of the greenhouse effect here on Earth, you understand this ration 95%!!!!!!!!!

The other thing you have to consider is the only evidence the United Nations and its little brother the IPCC have given us is in parametric computer models i think the correct term is computer circulation models (CCM).

So what are these (CCM) saying, well they show that at the equator of the Earth in the tropopause layer (10 to 12 kilometres above the earth) of our atmosphere there is a hot spot due to manmade CO2 emissions.

Thats manmade CO2 emissions all 0.04% of the total CO2 emissions that can be found in our atmosphere, hey errr why dosent Al Gore ever once say that 99.96% of CO2 in our atmosphere comes from the ecosystems like the sea the land the plants the animals.

Imo if he gave the general populace this figure most people would say RIDICULOUS that the natural CO2 at99.96% is ok and the 0.04% manmade CO2 wll destroy us what utter garbage.

The Earth cannot be so finely tuned otherwise we would not exist today.

This hot spot they claim can trigger a runaway greenhouse effect that could end life on Earth if we dont tax manmade CO2 emissions and put the farming and selling of carbon credits/derivatives on the stock exchange to be traded just like any other commodity in that market.

There is only one problem this piece of evidence that is their jewel in the crown only appears in their (CCM), empirical evidence gathered through weather baloons and satellites cannot detect this hot spot.

Who is the troll???????????????????

Anthropogenic Global Warming is a LIE and the Carbon Tax is a SCAM.

 

Hmmm,
so I see, all those scientists are wrong, and dumb is right. You really sound like you believe what you say.
Hmm, so we can continue our lifstyle, burn as much fossil fuel as we can, because according to your statement, it doesn't matter anyway.....
Dumb, is that what you teach your kids? In that case, mate, you should be locked away. Because only people should walk the planet, who care. And you don't......

 

Go back into our history and you will find that there was once 7000ppm of CO2 in our atmosphere all produced by the ecosystems...D&D.

Just how far back 'into our history', D&D?
Just curious....

 

Have a look here wolfie,

 

The statement above is wrong it should read,

If you took away all the greenhouse gases (trace gases) from our atmosphere except water vapour and clouds you would still be left with 95% of the greenhouse effect here on Earth, you understand this ration 95%!!!!!!!!!

Water vapour is the dominant greenhouse gas and its responsible for 95% of the greenhouse effect.

Problem with water vapour is they can't attribute this phenomenon to humans and therefore hard to tax, what excuse would they give?

On the other hand CO2 is easy to tax as we have experienced.

 

If condemning crime, the condonation of crime by elected representatives, the arrogance and callousness of causing harm to others, showing contempt for civilised law and protocol, makes me a redneck, or any other bigoted label, then so be it.

Your mind set is reminiscent of the old time religious fanatic, flogging the spirit out of a child, "for his own good", "to get him through the pearly gates." Hallelujah!!!!!! OOOHHHHHH, flog that child in the NAME OF THE LAWD!!!!!!!!

 

reminds me of another hoax by some greenies where they sent some letters pretending to be from a member of parliment gary nairn.
http://chipstop.savetheforests.org.au/summary_of_evidence.htm

 

Morals aren`t their forte.

 

oh they have their morals. when they want more immigrants. just when they wanna stop something anything goes

 

I don't have any sympathy for a corporation. Should i? Why?

I've seen similar 'pranks' and i generally support them actually. Remember the brilliant Yes Men prank on Dow Chemicals re the Bhopal crime?

It's interesting that such a gag on a corporation is extreme, but invading Iraq to secure oil and geographical supremacy is not (supported by nearly all our politicians). The greens are not extreme, everyone else is.

 

If we want security, respect, justice for ourselves, we need to demand the same for everyone, or the system breaks down into anarchy. The greens obviously have no concept of basic human decency. What can people expect, who gloat over other people losing $300,000,000 ? Why should the greens be treated any better than they treat others?

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If we want security, respect, justice for ourselves, we need to demand the same for everyone, or the system breaks down into anarchy. The greens obviously have no concept of basic human decency. What can people expect, who gloat over other people losing $300,000,000 ? Why should the greens be treated any better than they treat others?

 

The narrow minded arrogance of fanatics.

 

I'm sorry, you haven't actually said anything here.

Read the Yes Men link, it's hilarious. Watching it is better

oh, and they didn't lose any money, it all came flooding back again before the day was out.

 

They didn`t lose any money? Are you saying that everyone who lost from this crime was reimbursed? Or doesn`t it matter because it was only those other people who got hurt?

 

I have always thought it strange the way these climate change fanatics target the coal industry. All the coal industry does is move the coal from one place to another, they don't burn it and cause pollution. Why aren't the climate change whacko's protesting outside the industries that actually burn the coal?