Era of Entitlements Nearly Over?

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  1. PrometheusBound

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    A lot of people think the unearned privilege of inheritance will last forever. Talk about freeloading moochers who bankrupt the country because Sperm Bingo is the only thing putting them in charge of it.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Great. Then come to realize I couldn't care less. Whiny, butt hurt conservatives like you are a dime a dozen around here.
     
  3. darckriver

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    I was talking about the costs of what is normally bantered about as "welfare" as opposed to the actual breakout of the entitlement outlays. For example, of the FY2013 HHS budget, 86% of the HHS proposed $891 billion in outlays falls under the Medicare/Medicaid heading.

    See pg 6, HHS Budget FY2013.

    My point was, the vast majority of non-social security entitlement costs are Medicare/Medicaid payments and the largest share of that is related to caring for the elderly. As the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities noted in their report,

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    Now 9% of the Medicare outlays is still a lot of money. Unfortunately, that is what most people complain about when they think of the "entitlement problem". The point I was making originally was that statistically speaking, non-social security related entitlements are NOT mainly composed of handouts to lazy non-workers. They're composed mostly of handouts to a wide spectrum of the population, mainly the elderly. Medical payouts to the elderly accounted for 53% of all Medicare outlays in 2010. Furthermore, like Social Security, Medicare is NOT generally an unearned entitlement since eligibility is normally based on a record of contributions to the fund.
     
  4. Curmudgeon

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    In 1960 3.5 out of every ten people over 65 lived in poverty as defined at that time, in 1995 only 1 out of 10 of those over 65 is living in poverty as currently defined. We have dropped from just over a third of the elderly living in poverty to one tenth. This is due to social security.
     
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    I will be glad when the entitlement of a War on Drugs is gone.
     
  6. Taxcutter

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    "A lot of people think the unearned privilege of inheritance will last forever."

    Taxcutter says:
    Over the last 4,000 years of recorded human history inheritance has been remarkably durable. It spans not only the centuries but is also common in all major cultures.

    In the few instances where the principle of inheritance was repudiated, economic decline rapidly followed. Viz: French and Russian revolutions. Cambodia 1975. Castro's Cuba.

    If you take out the right to pass the fruits of your efforts on to your posterity, you rob the productive people of your society of one of their big motivators.
     
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    Republicans and various Conservatives want to present themselves as JERKS-ON-A-STICK... yet want others to accept their destructive and hurtful agenda 'completely'.

    They surely deserve the reality that consistently hits them in the face.
     
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    The 'shell' on it that looks "American", will eventually tarnish and fall off. THAT "Christianity" has been abused by haters and hypocrites for far too long; it's time is about finished.

    Those truly devoted to the essence of Jesus Christ, will see their faith remain healthy and likely grow in the same.
     
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    How is this due to social security? I receive social security. A mere $1200 a month. That is well below what is considered "the poverty level".
     
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    Congressional retirement, Congressional health care, Congressional travel benefits, corporate subsidies, aid to Israel and almost every other country in the world, veterans benefits, industrial military complex contractors benefits. You mean those entitlements? BWAH HA HA HA HA!
     
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    Somehow, I'm starting to get the impression that the main function of govt is to SUBSIDIZE. The whole dam govt is nothing but a huge, inefficient machine for taking money from one source and doling it out to whoever and/or whatever the current batch of partisan buttheads want to control.
     
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    You mean the entitlement of determining wages? Mandatory unionization will end that.

    Or the entitlement of corporate ownership of patents? Unionization of creative workers will end that Greedhead mooching too.

    Or the entitlement of humiliating future employees by requiring them to work without pay in college? The Constitution's abolition of indentured servitude will outlaw that.

    Or birth privileges for the spawn of the rich? The spirit of the Constitution's abolition of titles will end our era of rule by birth and not worth.
     
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    The poverty guidelines for 2011: 1 person $10,890.
     
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    The French and Russian nobility thought their privilege would last forever.
     
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    I believe an era of discounted public policy choices at the expense of the least wealthy should end, as forms of entitlement.
     
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    But then there are two of us. My wife won't be filing for it until 70 but is un-able to work now. I wouldn't have filed for it yet either except an un-operable tumer took that decission out of my hands.
     
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    If you Dem and Rep would get your heads up a little higher, you would be able to figure out that there wouldn't be a big problem with entitlements if you could pass a few laws that would stop those who are able to work from collecting welfare, medical, food stamps, etc.

    Most of the waste goes to people who watched their able-bodied parents collect "entitlements" and know how to cercomvent the rules. Plus the fact that the welfare system rewards them for having babies. Have a baby and we'll give you a raise!

    People who suddenly find themselves on the wrong side of the so-called poverty level get turned away because of some dumb rule but those who were born on welfare know how to get around the rules or are already friends of the office workers who hand it out and help them get it. I see this happening every day.

    Don't gripe about the entitlements, help get those who can work from getting them. Bet you wouldn't be so adiment about ending them if your mom or dad needed them.
     
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    Era of Entitlements Nearly Over?

    Starve those you can't shoot in school, eh? God bless free America and Heil Netemyahu!
     
  19. danielpalos

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    From my understanding other social safety nets exist for issues not covered by social security.

    I am only advocating simplifying our social safety nets to draw participants from more expensive means tested forms of safety nets; ostensibly, to lower our tax burden.
     
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    So did the French elite. Oh yeah, you said that.
    The SCOTUS declared that corporations are people. So they should pay taxes at the same rate as any other millionaire. That alone would solve the deficit. The debt will NEVER be solved on the backs of the poor and elderly, THEY'RE NOT THE ONES WITH ALL THE MONEY!
     
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    In my opinion, artificial persons of wealth should be burdened with a social safety net that solves simple poverty in our republic.
     
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    The Debt can only be solved by spending less money then we make, not by placing more tax burdens on already struggling Americans.
     
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    The bad thing about it is, they want to get rid of something that helps people, and yet, has never been a contributor to the deficit.
     
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    Taxes, especially on the wealthiest are at their lowest level since Eisenhower.
     
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    When are you going to convince the Right to be moral enough to bear true witness to our own laws, simply for the sake of morals; let's end the drug war first simply because it really is a boondoggle and generational form of theft.
     

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