I say it blows. why does everyone have such a total stiffy for it, like aw its in the constitution its in the constitution the constitution says this so what the constitution could be a load of crap in places it was written almost 250 years ago these men didnt even have ipods, why cant people just go yeah so obviously the whole guns thing they didnt mean 20 year olds with mental health issues walking around with assault rifles obviously or any other change to the constitution are these men gods ? whats so great about them ? we know way more about the world now than they ever did, put obama up against any of the founding fathers in a debate on literally anything he wipes the floor with them, so why is it such a big deal other countries have constitutions but they dont treat them like the effin bible if theres something stupid in there or society changes they change it. get with the times learn to make democracy work for you rather than against you, its okay we'll show you how we've been doing it for hundreds of years before god even shat you out.
The constitution is the core legal document in the united states. It makes an ideological promise to a country and prevents totalitarian drift on the aspects of its governance. Without the constitution the united states would be an even worse place than it is already.
Kudos to the second post. Without the constitution we would not have a democracy. Even though we live in a progressive country does not mean we are to demolish what was put together for the greater good of mankind.
It doesn't matter whether parts of it are a load of crap. If you start selectively ignoring it where does it end? For example conservatives happily ignore the part of the second amendment that says a well regulated militia. Conservatives just never mention that part. They just think GW wanted AR-15s sold in vending machines in every preschool. So just ignoring parts of the Constitution really mucks things up. If you don't like it change it. But there have to be rules.
We do not live in a progressive country. We live in a center right country. We can most certainly demolish the constitution. There is nothing wrong with that. We have demolished whole sections of it on multiple occasion. But the way we did it was through a commonly agreed upon process. We did not just each start coming up with our own ideas. The US Constitution in many ways is a antiquated document in need of serious revision. Some budgetary controls would not be a bad idea. - - - Updated - - - Correlation does not equal causation.
I would beg to differ after the re-election of Obama. The younger generation is who mostly complains of the constitution, pledging allegiance to our flag, and feel our founding fathers were old republicans that should be ignored for our countries most amazing document in the history of the U.S. Period. We are definitely moving towards a socialistic society and the progressives are winning. - - - Updated - - - I would beg to differ after the re-election of Obama. The younger generation is who mostly complains of the constitution, pledging allegiance to our flag, and feel our founding fathers were old republicans that should be ignored for our countries most amazing document in the history of the U.S. Period. We are definitely moving towards a socialistic society and the progressives are winning.
We don't have to mention it because the Supreme Court already laid that lame argument to rest. Are we supposed to keep rehashing ancient legal arguments that have already been settled?
Yes, "the younger generation" are the ones that ran up a $14 Trillion debt. No way the baby boomers and the excesses of the 80s and 90s had anything to do with that. Sure teenagers run Wall St banks. And all those speculative condos in Miami? You guessed it, college kids. I'm pretty sure Ron Paul was far more popular amongst tens and twenties than 80 year olds. Yes Gen X created the New Deal, Medicare, Medicaid, the prescription drug benefit, corporate welfare, the military industrial complex, Wall street bank fraud, unfunded wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. - - - Updated - - - By which you mean they ignored it.
They didn't ignore it. They addressed the issue quite clearly. The fact is the founders upon framing the amendment for the general citizenry to be able to own guns and other arms and you don't get to just ignore the clear intent of the founders.
They didn't ignore it. They addressed the issue quite clearly. The fact is the founders upon framing the amendment intended for the general citizenry to be able to own guns and other arms privately and you don't get to just ignore the clear intent of the founders as properly interpreted by the supreme court. Now stop using a dead argument that avoids the inconvenient truth that you'll need to abolish the 2nd amendment if you want substantive gun control in this nation. At least have the courage to admit your true positiopn rather than try to reword the founders clear intentions.
Actually, it is you that is ignoring the meaning. Check the SCOTUS rulings on the matter if you have any further questions.
What's so great about them.... The founding fathers were going to Harvard at age like 14, they could write, speak and read Greek and Latin, they read the classics, they read philosophers, they studied the leaders of the englightenment, they built a nation upon principles and law, they had great foresight about democacy, human equality and individual liberty when monarchy and aristocracy was all the rage. What do we got today? 20yr olds with ipods, high on meth, unable to locate the United States on a map, unsure who we fought the Revolutionary War against, unsure who we fought the Cold War against, etc. And you think these people can write a constitution better than the founding fathers?
You think reality matters? Why? Whats real? Whats not real? Prove it. If nothing is real, then anything is real. Thus, anything can be real.There is no spoon. - - - Updated - - - You think reality matters? Why? Whats real? Whats not real? Prove it. If nothing is real, then anything is real. Thus, anything can be real.There is no spoon.
Well, it would certainly seem you deserve to live in a democracy and suffer the instability, abuses, and collapse that are inherent to democracy. As history clearly teaches, and our founding fathers cogently argued, "Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths." James Madison, Federalist Paper #10 Only an ignorant fool would want to live in a democracy. America was founded as a Republic, i.e. the rule of law restricts the government. That law is codified in the Constitution - ignore it, disparage it at your own peril. Of course the monied interests that sit above our government and control and direct the left, have always wanted the Constitution to be scrapped. They, and the ignorant leftists that do their bidding, want an empowered government; an unrestricted government. Once they gained control of our money supply, i.e. the Federal Reserve Act, it was only a matter of time and process before America could be transitioned thru democracy, and a top-down control system could be fastened upon the people. We're now moving into the final phases of the collapse that could only be achieved thru democracy. Perhaps if you read a history book or two, you might recognize the pattern?? Unfortunately, it would seem you're a product of the government indoctrination centers and don't know any better?? Pity.
It's a darn shame the Constitution has to take a back seat to the Patriot Act, don't you think? It trumps our Constitution. No joke.
Of course you would. Liberals are starting to shed their masks more and more to show their fascist true self. Many liberals don't like the Constitution because it limits the power and authority of government, and liberal cannot stand that. They think they know what is good for everyone. Wow...what a completely ignorant and arrogant statement. These men were far wiser than you will ever be...and they at least knew how to write. Maybe you should go back to English class before you continue to make a fool of yourself. This statement also shows how shallow thinking some are when they cling to such things as iPods and think it makes them superior. It's a pathetic mindset. I see humility isn't your strong suit, particularly when holding up your idol Obama. You seem to be very ignorant of history and on the founding of this nation. At least the Founders didn't need a teleprompter to give a memorable speech. Tyranny? The more liberals like you speak, the more I'm convinced modern "progressive" liberalism is a disease. Go to back to school, get an actual education, then come back and try again.
LMAO! The guy who lost a debate to Romney, a man not exactly known for his superior intelligence???! You take hero worship a little too far, sport.
I think that our Constitution has withstood the test of time. Certainly, it's not perfect; but it is probably as close to perfection as the framers could make it. As Benjamin Franklin observed: Mr. President I confess that there are several parts of this constitution which I do not at present approve, but I am not sure I shall never approve them: For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged by better information, or fuller consideration, to change opinions even on important subjects, which I once thought right, but found to be otherwise. It is therefore that the older I grow, the more apt I am to doubt my own judgment, and to pay more respect to the judgment of others. Most men indeed as well as most sects in Religion, think themselves in possession of all truth, and that wherever others differ from them it is so far error. Steele a Protestant in a Dedication tells the Pope, that the only difference between our Churches in their opinions of the certainty of their doctrines is, the Church of Rome is infallible and the Church of England is never in the wrong. But though many private persons think almost as highly of their own infallibility as of that of their sect, few express it so naturally as a certain french lady, who in a dispute with her sister, said "I don't know how it happens, Sister, but I meet with no body but myself, that's always in the right Il n'y a que moi qui a toujours raison." 'In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of Government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered, and believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other. I doubt too whether any other Convention we can obtain, may be able to make a better Constitution. For when you assemble a number of men to have the advantage of their joint wisdom, you inevitably assemble with those men, all their prejudices, their passions, their errors of opinion, their local interests, and their selfish views. From such an assembly can a perfect production be expected? It therefore astonishes me, Sir, to find this system approaching so near to perfection as it does; and I think it will astonish our enemies, who are waiting with confidence to hear that our councils are confounded like those of the Builders of Babel; and that our States are on the point of separation, only to meet hereafter for the purpose of cutting one another's throats. Thus I consent, Sir, to this Constitution because I expect no better, and because I am not sure, that it is not the best. The opinions I have had of its errors, I sacrifice to the public good. I have never whispered a syllable of them abroad. Within these walls they were born, and here they shall die. If every one of us in returning to our Constituents were to report the objections he has had to it, and endeavor to gain partizans in support of them, we might prevent its being generally received, and thereby lose all the salutary effects & great advantages resulting naturally in our favor among foreign Nations as well as among ourselves, from our real or apparent unanimity. Much of the strength & efficiency of any Government in procuring and securing happiness to the people, depends, on opinion, on the general opinion of the goodness of the Government, as well as of the wisdom and integrity of its Governors. I hope therefore that for our own sakes as a part of the people, and for the sake of posterity, we shall act heartily and unanimously in recommending this Constitution (if approved by Congress & confirmed by the Conventions) wherever our influence may extend, and turn our future thoughts & endeavors to the means of having it well administred. On the whole, Sir, I can not help expressing a wish that every member of the Convention who may still have objections to it, would with me, on this occasion doubt a little of his own infallibility, and to make manifest our unanimity, put his name to this instrument.
