The per capita statistic is useless and misleading - especially for CO2 emissions

Dodgy spin? Only if you are literally clueless as to what the term means. In my experience most people aren't this stupid.

 

Now D&D says "Fark" a lot, I'm not really sure what it means, being a simpleton and all, I think it's the sound of a mating crow, well something to do with mating anyway. He often uses it in the context, for fark's sake, us some common sense.

Common sense you say ...ok
So I went and sat down and started to stroke my beard, thinking, thinking, thinking. Now I have Googled nothing, read nothing, just thought about what I have seen and heard and read. So I have no figures, no dates in our prehistory and definitely no per capitas.

China is the biggest polluter in the world, yet they earn so little, on average. Their pollution comes from electricity production, steel production and manufacturing goods. But they in general are poor people, now don't get me wrong, china has the largest growing rich list in the world, but in comparison to the population, the rich make up a small part of the population. So where are all the goods going?

Now in Australia, the US and most high standard of living countries they import manufactured goods from china. Australia exports coal for power, oil for fuel and iron for steel to china because they have very low wages and manufacturing costs, then we import back the cheap TVs, toasters, irons, automobile components etc for our use. So the western countries like Australia and the US, are more responsible for china's CO2 production then the poor workers who earn approx $0.83 an hour.

Discuss ......

 

You are obviously still missing these gobsmackingly simple points. Per Capita is a wank guilt trip.

 

How is it a wank guilt trip? Do you even know what per capita means?

But really, this just seems to be a desperate attack on the AGW crowd. Pathetic.

 

Spot on aussie

Hey you guys stop being so obnoxious,

How many big macs per capita????

How many houses per capita????

How many units per capita????

How many caravans per capita????

How many town houses per capita?????

Dividing something by the population gives you a meanigless statistic!!!!!

The information is USELESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How many dimples in a golf ball per capita.

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The pathetic thing about all this is just like AGW you're shooting blanks.

 

If you can't figure out why per capita is usfeul then you really shouldn't be trying to discuss it.

http://useconomy.about.com/od/glossary/g/Per-Capita.htm

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....You do realize the irony of this considering your thread so far has been an utter failure, right?

 

Rubbish what meanigful statistic can you obtain from per capita?

The example of the US and its GDP per capita what a misdemeanor that is.

GDP per capita is $47400 what exactly is this telling you???????

It tells you SFA!!!!!?????

 

What exactly don't you understand?

As you can see, it is important to use per capita to take other countries populations into account when comparing statistics.

 

I understand it perfectly, you get something, anything and divide it by the population.

How many hairs on your head per capita???

It tells you nothing its just one number divided by the population.

Meanigless.................................

OHHH boy and if you ever want to mislead someone just quote a per capita statistic its meanigless.

the most prosperous country is Qatar because of the per capita statistic?

go tell that to the people who live in the slums of Qatar.

Dont be so rediculous, per capita is a useless statistic that gives you no real world information.

Its economist gargon for economics and to fool people.

 

What about this one,

They say that when you have frogs in the environment its a healthy environment right.

Well if we did

The number of frogs per capita will we be able to establish which countries have healthy enviroments and which ones dont?????

With the amount of frogs per capita??????????????????????????????

GET THE PICTURE.

 

Dumb, honestly mate, I appreciate you have a stance on Global Warming and are against the Carbon Trading Scheme, but have you noticed that not many are coming to your aid? You know why? Your making strawmen, misinterpreting things, like Australia being near the top of an alphabetical list, no comprehension of per capita, and now this

Mate take your hatred and twisted belief about politicians, economists, mathematicians, scientists, bankers and anyone else you believe is involved in global conspiracies and try a different topic. You have done more harm to the skeptics than good with your banal, repetitive, mindless, inaccurate ramblings. The only thing your proving is you chose the correct name here.

 

Oh dumb, if you meant "misnomer", that is incorrect also, that means an incorrect name. Cannot at the moment figure what you actually meant because he is absolutely correct.

 

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Yeah, clearly you know nothing about statistics. Their Qatar example clearly demonstrates the use of per capita and completely refutes your argument. If you can't understand it then I suggest reading it again. You probably think it is a useless statistic because you are asking redundant questions like "How many frogs/big macs per capita"

Creating idiotic examples of per capita being used doesn't render the term useless or make an argument because nobody in the real world uses the term as redundantly as you have in this thread. They use it when it's actually warranted.

 

Not at all Dom

I consider the per capita statistic as a misrepresentation of the truth in that context its an offence against the truth or it distorts or twists the truth therefore i think its adequate to call it a misdemeanor.

Its called lieing, something our PM has been doing even before she got into power.

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No i didn't, dont try to second guess me or put words in mouth.

 

If you cant see why the per capita statistic is meaningless then i guess that explains why you support AGW and the carbon tax.

 

Like i said go ask the people in Qatar who live in the slums.

Thats the whole point the per capita statistic is idiotic created by economists to spin their economic gargon.

Please tell me what useful information you walk away with after viewing a per capita statistic?????

For example the Qatar pr capita?

What does it tell you about Qatar?

 

What people in the Qatar slums think about per capita is completely irrelevant to the argument. Per capita is used to account for a countries population when comparing statistics. Therefore, it has a use.

The term per capita literally means "per person" and people, in my experience, are generally aware of what it means. Therefore, it is not misleading.

 

ok, well it's still not a misdemeanor, a lie is slander, perjury or fraud depending on the context. I also glaring notice you avoidance of my Strawman post, care to comment? And I wasn't putting words in your mouth just trying to make sense of your post, I did say IF

 

My support of the Carbon Pricing Scheme has nothing to do with per capita, as I have said, I think they aren't even relevant in this case.

As most of China's pollution is to process raw materials and manufacture goods for western companies who then import the goods back again for sale and greater profit, our contribution to China's CO2 emissions should include a proportion according to how much manufactured goods we take back, same for other countries, so the per capita amount should be higher in Australia and lower in china.

 

What meaningful statistic does it give you?????????????????????????????????

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What meaningful statistic does it give you?????????????????????????????????

 

And as far as Global Warming per capita does nothing to raise or lower the CO2, it is mearly a statistical way of measuring FAIRLY each countries contribution to it, but as shown previously I believe we should also equate imported goods into our per capita figures to get a FAIRER IDEA of our counties overall CO2 output.

 

If i consider it to be offensive enough it may also be a misdemeanor, thats my personal choice is it not!

Well if i'm making a strawman arguement why cant you tell me what sort of meaningful information the per capita statistic gives its reader????

 

The statistic that takes a countries population into account. How many times do I have to repeat myself?

 

Fairly measuring each countries contribution.

Puts Australia at the top of the chart with 1.5% total volume of manmade CO2 emissions??!!??!!

AND

Puts China at about 83rd on the per capita chart with 22% total volume of manmade CO2 emissions??!!??!!

Thats fair in your eyes??????

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Like i said its dividing a number by the population to get FLUFF..................................

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Like i said its dividing a number by the population to get FLUFF..................................