Ranking the presidents, best to worst

Lets be accurate here. Obama didn't get us out of one big war. The withdraw of troops from Iraq had already been settled before Obama was elected President.

We aren't out of the woods yet with this economy. There are many companies on the verge of going under that employ thousands of people. Companies like Sears, K-Mart, JC Penny, Radio Shack, Best Buy and etc. We don't know how Obama's policies will play out on many other companies. We do know quite a few are cutting hours so as to not provide health insurance. We also don't know what his immigration policy will do if it gets passed.

As I said before, it's to early to rate Obama until the end of his second term to see what effect his policies has on the nation. It could be a lot higher, or lower.

 

You think that would matter a lot if it had been a White Republican who did it?

You think that would matter a lot had it been a White Republican who had done it?

You think conservatives would be saying it's too early had it been a white Republican who did it?

 

Any list that doesn't have Washington as No. 1 is trash. Put it under the bird cage.

It's too soon to rate GW Bush and Hussein Obama. Historians generally let them alone for ten years to let the issues of the day cool.

 

Why do you bring race into it? I am just laying out the truth. Lets leave race out of it.

 

No I didn't, in fact no one did.

Nixon lost the war, deal with it.

Maybe but Eisenhower had his reasons for starting it, he just didn't do it right.

Yep, the rigth starts wars they know they can't win. I wonder why?

We lost Iraq twice.

No, the right never learns from history becasue the right always attempts to spin and re-write history to fit their political agenda disregarding facts.

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History and fact proves you wrong.
Ike sent in the CIA and started the war.

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By telling rightwing lies?
Yeah, thats why the right never learns from history.

 

Why the party lies?

 

Nixon might have lost the war in Vietnam, but we should have never sent troops into it to begin with,

Iraq isn't lost unless democracy fails there and only time will tell about that.

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Both parties lie. If you think that Democrats don't lie, I have some videos to show you.

 

I voted Obama. Not because of race or any other earth-shattering reason but because, just like millions of other, I was fed up with the GOP bull.

 

Family story, yes. In fact, that part is actually quite inspirational, and anyone from any background should be able to draw inspiration from it. I give him total credit on that. But if you honestly think his skin color hindered him from becoming president, then you really don't understand modern American culture at all. His skin color basically got him elected. Which was my whole point. Without it, he's just another generic Democrat no different than Biden.

Definitely worth nothing. He didn't keep a lot of the promises he made before getting elected and even continued a lot of what Bush was doing that his own supporters pretended to be so angry about for reasons other than pure partisanship. Interestingly, the same people that were calling Bush "Hitler" have not been as outraged at Obama for doing the same things. Whatever happened about closing Gitmo? Wasn't Bush a "war criminal" for keeping that open? Surprisingly, we don't hear about Gitmo much anymore. Wonder why that is. As of September 2012, there were still 167 detainees there. Yet.... seemingly irrelevant now.

Yes, yes, let's resort to silly ad hominem instead of actually examining what I'm saying. You guys were the ones that had new voters turning out in droves to vote for a man for no other reason than his skin color. Don't talk to me about racism. The guy's resumé was virtually empty in terms of leadership. And yet your side promoted him tirelessly while deriding Sarah Palin for "not being qualified" despite being governor of Alaska.

You clearly believe in a lot of partisan nonsense. Look at where you're trying to move Reagan. The man ended the Cold War. Even your elitist presidential scholar buddies recognize this.

Also worth noting, the man you're trying to move up in the queue is famous for saying this:

"I'll have those (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s voting Democratic for the next 200 years." - Lyndon Baines Johnson

Enjoy your racist hypocrisy.

 

Raygun didn't win the cold war, he only tripled the national debt building useless nukes and star wars crap that didn't work. And he sold chemical weapons to Iraq, and bought cocaine with Noriega, which he sold to make money to buy more weapons to give to the Contras. Raygun was an Alzheimer POTUS. He should be ranked lower.

 

Because if he was black, IMO, many Republicans would not judge him in the same way.

 

The Berlin Wall fell because of Reagan, genius. You know (*)(*)(*)(*) well you'd be hugging his nuts right now if he had a (D) next to his name. Look at your screen name. Do you honestly think you are capable of being objective? Your partisanship doesn't even allow you to spell his name correctly.

 

You seem to know a lot of what Reagan did, but know little of why he did it. He did not sell chemical weapons to Iraq. Almost all the chemicals given to Iraq went to their universities for research, for things like drugs, fertilizer and etc. That's not saying some didn't find it's way to the Iraq military. Many countries gave Iraq chemicals to make weapons, the biggest source of chemical weapons came from Germany.

Reagan was instrumental in helping bring down the Soviet Union and I put up many posts a few weeks ago on how he did it. One was spending billions building up our military to the point the Soviets couldn't match. Another was helping Afghanistan drive the Soviets out with the weapons we gave them. Another was getting Saudi Arabia to cut the price of oil to less than $16.00 a barrel, putting a big financial bind on the Soviets. There was several others. So your wrong, Reagan had a lot to do to weaken the Soviets and to help bring them down to end the Cold War. Poland even built a park and put up a monument to Reagan for helping to bring down the Soviet Union. England also put up a statue of Reagan and Prime Minister Thatcher said Reagan ended the Cold War without firing a shot.

Yes he did sell weapons to Iran to raise money for the Contras that was was waging a war in Nicaragua against the Soviet involvement and a communist government. A war Congress had been funding for over two years and then cut it off because they got cold feet and thought the Contras would blow up one of their ships in the Nicaraguan harbor, bring America into conflict with the Soviets. What were the Contra suppose to do then, go home to their families? Congress left them out to dry with no place to go and the Communist government left in place.

 

Oh let's see.......

FDR- tried to circumvent the separation of powers, by stacking the supreme court with hand picked stooges. Threw Americans in concentration camps. Implemented economic policies that did nothing to help America out of the great depression.

Woodrow Wilson- needlessly sent 100,000 Americans to their deaths in ww1. A war we had no business being involved in. He had American's arrested for opposing his war mongering, as well as spied on. He also sold this country out to bankers with the creation of the federal reserve.

LBJ- got America mired in Vietnam, and has the blood of over 50,000 Americans on his hands, plus the untold number of Vietnamese civilians.

Nixon- even though he got us out of Vietnam, that doesn't excuse his law breaking at Watergate, and lying to the country.

W Bush- started a war in Iraq, based on blatant lies. The patriot act, and torture of enemy combatants, topped with reckless spending and a huge expansion of government.

Obama- has spent more than all presidents combined. Hasn't passed a budget in four years. Pretty much has continued the Bush doctrine, of war mongering and aggression .has tried to circumvent the law as much as possible, to enact his agenda and put his crony buddies in positions of power.

Grant- had a notoriously corrupt administration, and in acted a brutal policy towards American Indians.

So what is exactly partisan about my choices? I'm guessing nothing.

 

Who could argue with such a well reasoned and intelligent argument such as that.

 

Okay Crafts since when is a smple statement of fact Racist? Apparently when it is a fact leftist can't accept. Obama was born with a silver spoon in his Mouth. He is as much Caucasian as black. There isn't one single Bush strategy that Obama ever stopped using, and he's doubled down on the Bush debt with almost nothing to show for it that isn't attributable to Republicans stonewalling the worst of his idiocy. He didn't give you health care harry and Nancy did. He just signed and apprently none of the three even bothered to read it.

 

1. Washington - had he been other than who he was we'd be a kingdom rather than a Republic.
2.Jefferson doubled the size of the country over night without fighting a war to do it. All though it did result in several wars over the next hundred years.
3. Abraham Lincoln - Without him the country no longer exists and the world is a very different and likely much nastier and meaner place.
4. Reagan - The incomplete revolution that held so much promise but ultimately failed because most of his successors lacked either his charismatic appeal or his knowledge and understanding or both.
5.Coolidge ended theworst economic down turn the country had yet seen and did it without spending a dime more or rasing anyones taxes.

6- 28. The remaining ninteenth century presidents. Most were non entities who did little and accomplished less. A few were better or worse than the average for this lot but not by enough to matter. Add Taft into this bunch as well. They may not have done a whole lot in most case but the didn't royally screw things up either. For that you have to wait for the progressives.

29. Teddy Roosevelt Jump started the so called progressive era. Thereby unleashing a host of evils upon the country Not the least of which was his successor once removed.

30. Hoover who in spite of his reputation for doing nothing to end the Great Depression in fact engaged in many of the same policies that Roosevelt

 

We were involved in Vietnam before Ike. Truman started things off. Ike sent a few advisers, Kennedy sent a lot more and Johnson got us involved full throttle.

In September 1950, US President Harry Truman sent the Military Assistance Advisory Group (MAAG) to Vietnam to assist the French in the First Indochina War. The President claimed they were not sent as combat troops, but to supervise the use of $10 million worth of US military equipment to support the French in their effort to fight the Viet Minh forces. By 1953, aid increased dramatically to $350 million to replace old military equipment owned by the French.[1]

 

To attempt to rank the presidents is quite hazardous, in my opinion.

Even if one were to allow for the fact that it is just about impossible to evaluate any president reliably until at least 25 years after he has left office--which would automatically exclude all our past presidents from Ronald Reagan forward--the remaining list is going to be necessarily subjective: If one likes what a president accomplished--at least, the general thrust of his presidency--then one is going to rate him highly. On the other hand, if one dislikes the direction in which he took the country, one will rate him accordingly.

So it is really very difficult to establish a truly objective standard here, and stick to it...

 

Washington has been the standard for comparison of heads of state for two centuries.

Left-wing revisionist history is the product of a failing secondary school system.

 

That is your entire reason for ranking FDR as one of the worst?

Upon what basis do you claim his policies did nothing to help America out of the great depression?

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Just out of curiosity, exactly what did Washington do that in your opinion warrants your designation?

 

Yes, but it is all subjective. That is the point I am trying to make. For example, using your premise that Presidents who govern the least govern the best, it is easy to conclude why you consider FDR, Lincoln, and Woodrow Wilson questionable leaders. On the other hand, a person valuing practicality and progress may consider FDR and Lincoln terrific statesmen. It all depends upon perspective, beliefs, emotions, among other non-objective factors.

 

The wall came down because the Soviets decided to play the capitalism game, like the Chinese.

Yes, I'm objective. I've been an INDEPENDENT since 1996. Didn't vote for Clinton then, voted for Nader. Didn't vote for Obama in 2008, voted for Nader.

The name Raygun came from the Star Wars weapon he wasted so much money on.

Just because the GOP is so dishonest that it gives me a hangover, doesn't make me partisan, it just gives me a headache.

Ronnie Raygun also gave us the AIDS epidemic, another reason he should be at the bottom of the list.

 

The Soviets decided to play the capitalist game when they found out communism doesn't work. Reagan help them with that.

Star Wars helped drain billions from the Soviets that they couldn't afford to lose.

Now you want to even blame Reagan for Aids? You never quit.

Be truthful, you want Reagan at the bottom because he is looked up to by many Republicans.

 

Obama = highest corporate profits in HISTORY


That makes him # 1.

Now it's time for all these Christian professing groups to share the wealth just like their Bible says to do.