Taking our country back? I dont get it. Please explain

thanks for proving you only read PARTS of posts in debates and not the entire thing because you just ignored how it CAN.

only a coincidence theorist would belioves in that fairy tale of the governments that you have fallen for hook,line,and sinker and have been brainwashed on by the CIA controlled media-which is the LAMESTREAM MEDIA..they control our corrupt school system which is why for over 30 years they were able to succesffuly brainwash the american people that oswald was the lone assassin.you need to turn off the idiot box and look at an opposing view.

I just told you there are MANY threads in the 9/11 section that prove you are clueless about that and have been brainwashed.I told you to read them,you did not.since you wont read them then at least take the time to go to the library and check out the book that proves your wrong and the government and media is as well called DEBUNKING THE 9/11 DEBUNKING,AN ANSWER TO POPULAR MECHANICS AND OTHER DEFENDERS OF THE OFFICIAL CONSPIRACY THEORY.by david ray griffin.That book shreeads to pieces the lies and propaganda of the government and media.

I know you wont read it though and will keep living in denial like they want you to and keep being a loyal Bush dupe which I as well was at one time for 3 years,I know you wont read it because i have asked HUNDREDS of people on the net to read it and not ONE of them who believed the official version has ever taken me up on that challenge to read the book so I dont see you being the first one who is not afraid to read it and take me up on the challenge and disprove it.nobody has ever been able to debunk that book.

and you ALSO did not answer my question on HAVE YOU SEEN THAT VIDEO "FREEDOM TO FACISM" again you prove that you only read PARTS of a post.

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Those fools dont get it that we REALLY lost our country on dec 25th 1913 and have ever since because the american sheople wont do anything about it.

 

wrong again.its a FACT the CIA did it.we know that because many people over the years after becoming aware of the facts and evidence in the case no longer accepted the fairy tales of the warren commission anymore that oswald was the lone assassin and knew there was a conspiracy.so because of that in the 70's there was a new investigation called THE HOUSE SELECT COMMITTE ON ASSASSINATIONS formed and even they concluded the warren commission was wrong.that his assassination was the result of a conspiracy and the mob pulled it off but was unable to locate the second shooter

whats really pathetic about our government is even though the HSCA concluded the warren commission was wrong and it was a conspiracy,they STILL to this day tell the lies and b.s that oswald was the lone assassin.lol

We know the CIA dit it because when the investigation was winding down,two CIA men came forward and confessed and said-we did it,where do you want to go with this investigation? the HSCA investigation was just as much a joke of an investigation was the warren commission was because it was created to only satisfy the american people that there was a conspiracy but was never interested in finding the truth either.They gave the american people a new patsy,the mob. anything that pointed towards government involvement,they ignored and did not pursue.they did not pursue that lead of those two CIA men coming forward confessing.

Matter of fact a book was written all about this by a senator who served on that investigation called THE LAST INVESTIGATION.his name was Gaston Fonzi.wont forget his name because of the fonz on Happy Days.hee hee.
He wrote in his book that he resigned in disgust because of that fact,that they ignored any leads that pointed towards government involvement that implicated the CIA,so he resigned in disgust.

Plus E Howard Hunt who was a CIA operative for Nixon when he was vice president, and was involved in the bay of pigs invasion and was one of the watergate burglers arrested,he denied many times over the years that he was in dallas that day when many researchers after looking at the photos of the 3 tramps taken,that one was Hunt.Nixon and Hunt are probably the only people that were alive back then who could not remember where they were in dallas that day.they both changed their stories many times over the years when asked where they were that day.

as I was saying,Hunt who againt worked for the CIA,denied it for years that he was in dallas that day but a few years ago on his death bed confession,he was tape recorded by his son giving a deathbed confession that he lied all those years,that he really was in dallas that day and part of a CIA team that included Frank Sturgis another CIA operative also arrested in the watergate burglury,there as part of a hit team to kill Kennedy. He confessed not cause he felt guilty of it,but because he was proud of the fact he helped pull it off.

Dick Nixon,connolly,and Lbj are involved up to their ears in it.Nixon and Lbj both hated Jfk and bother were long time friends and pasl with each other and were both firends with J edgar hoover as well who ALSO hated the kennedys.

 

Just received this, I promised to disseminate it...

Subject Salaries





They aren't worth this when they're "working", let alone retired



Salary of retired US Presidents .............$180,000 FOR LIFE

Salary of House/Senate .......................$174,000 FOR LIFE This is stupid

Salary of Speaker of the House .............$223,500 FOR LIFE! This is really stupid

Salary of Majority/Minority Leaders ....... $193,400 FOR LIFE! Ditto last line

Average Salary of a teacher ............... $40,065

Average Salary of Soldier DEPLOYED IN AFGHANISTAN ....... $38,000

Think about this.

Nancy Pelosi will retire as a Congress Person at $174,000 Dollars a year for LIFE.

She has retired as SPEAKER at $223,500 a year.

PLUS she will receive an additional $193,400 a year as Minority Leader.

That’s $803,700 Dollars a year for LIFE including FREE medical which is not available to US...the taxpayers?

She is just one of the hundreds of Senators and Congress that float in and out every year!

I think we found where the cuts should be made!

If you agree ..... pass it on, I just did.

 

I mentioned earlier that Kennedy had to wait till 1965 before he could pull us out of vietnam so he could get reelected and matter of fact here are his EXACT words.I have read over a hundred books on the kennedy assassination and JFK's policys on vietnam so I know what Im talking about here.

In the book I am reading now called HIGH TREASON 2 by Harrison Livingstone it goes on to say on page 497 here-Kennedys aide Kenny O donnel heard kennedy agree with senator Mansfield on the need for a complete withdrawal but JFK made it clear that such a withdrawal would have to wait till 1965,when he was reelected.when Mansfield left the room,Kennedy told O'donnel-"I'll be (*)(*)(*)(*)ed everywhere as a communist appeaser,but I dont care.If I tried to pull out of vietnam completely now,we could have another Joe Mccarthey red scare on our hands and I would be one of the most unpopular presidents in history but I can do it after the election."

then on page 500 here it goes on to say-Kennedy as reported by reporter Ralph Martin said to aides O'donnel and Dave Powers-"The first thing I do when Im reelected,I'm going to get the americans out of vietnam.Exactly hwo i am going to do it,rigght now,I dont know.But that is my number one priority-Get out of SE asia..we are not going to find ourselves in war that is impossible to win."

Powers and O'donnel also have said that he privately told them he would lose the next election if he moved quickly and pulled us out of vietnam. so that pretty much answers proves to that one poster earlier,that like i said,its not that easy to just completly pull out like he wanted to.it would have cost him his relection if he had done that.

It was all over the front pages on the pentagons stars and stripes newspaper on the front pages as well with headlines KENNEDY TO PULL OUT OF VIETNAM BY 1965. so it was no secret he would do so.

Johnson got in and he signed document NSAM 273 two days after his assassination which reversed kennedys policy he signed in document NSAM 263 to withdraw from vietnam.

The CIA/MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX that Eisenhower warned the american people to be aware of in his farewell address speech-pulled off the assassination and they knew Johnson would give them the war they wanted.Since they did Johnson a favor and Killed Kennedy for him giving him the oath of office,Johnson returned the favor and gave the CIA their war they wanted.again war means big business for the defense industries and corporations.The CIA scratched Johnsons back,he scrated theirs to return the favor.that simple.

Johnson was never even investigated as a suspect and he should have been A PRIME SUSPECT investigated.He had the means,motive and opportunity more than anyone.The warren commission was HANDPICKED by Johnson,It was termed a presidential commission at first.

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amazing the perks and priviledges our corrupt congress gets isnt it?

 

Going back to the founding principles.The Declaration of Independence? Are you kidding? In Thomas Jefferson's opening statement; We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal. It should have been written; We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, BUT SOME ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS. Just ask the slaves of Thomas Jefferson about that. Are these the founding principles you're talking about? Because it's impossible to go back to our founding principles, without going back to "these" times. And if getting your country back is your goal,and to get it back is by going back to those founding principles, maybe these are the times your looking to go back to.

 

Not from my angle.

 

Like I said a few posts ago. They really want to go back to 1776 when "we the people were all created equal, but some were more equal than others".

 

Not true at all, but what you lefties seem to want is for the USA to become the pre-breakup soviet union. you want govt controlled media, redistribution of income and wealth, everyone equally miserable, and a tiny group of super elites controlling all of the power and all of the money.

Thats what obama is trying to give you-----------are you really that stupid?

 

Contradicts your point though....if conservative media were the more popular, then the MSM should be conservative....or out of business.

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For all their decrying of a supposed "liberal desire for a socialist Utopia"....THEY are the ones who dream of a Utopia, a place which never existed and never will exist.

 

Is it what you lefties seem to want or what you righties want to believe? I can tell you from a personal standpoint from the left to the middle, you have a very deranged sense of what one seems to want. And for all those experts such as yourself, who seem to have a special gift for determining stupidity, I will remind you, that door can swing open in both directions. Watch out it doesn't hit you in the face.

 

Did you tell them to keep dreaming?

 

I liked Kennedy also but Wow!

 

are you guys implying that presidents should be rich so they are not swayed by bribes? what faith you have in your fellow man.

also, my view of religion and your view of religion are different even if we are in the same denomination why can't we just do what the constitution says and keep religion out of the government? so many people are going crazy over the thought of 2a being touched while not many care about the gov't violation of 1a in giving christianity preference. someday christianity may be a minority in this country much like whites will be in a few decades time. i hate to say it...but this "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." is as much freedom from religion as it is freedom of religion. in my state, non-essential businesses can not be open on sunday mornings. this is a government restriction on business because of religion. thoughts?

 

My view of what obama and his diciples want is based on what he has said and what he has done. Everything he has done has increased the size and scope of the federal government. Everything he has done has reduced individual freedom. Everything he has done has been geared to punish success and reward failure.

He is a marxist collectivist-----------if you don't know what that means, look it up.

 

Uhhh, seems to me that slavery was abolished many years ago by a republican president named Lincoln. You are attempting to say the the entire constitution is invalid because slavery existed when it was written. not a logical argument, sorry.

Now, returning to the constitution means a small unintrusive federal govt, states rights, individual freedom---------and BTW, individual freedom includes both the freedom to succeed and the freedom to fail------success is not guaranteed, only the pursuit of it is guaranteed.

 

"Everything he has done has increased the size and scope of government". Pay attention to what you just said. Now, during all of Bush's presidency and Obama's four years, how "exactly" has Obama increased the size of government more than what Bush did in his presidency? I'm talking about the "size" of government. Since "EVERYTHING" he has done has increased government.

 

there are more people on foodstamps, there are more people drawing unemployment checks, obamacare has increased the size of the beaurocracy, he has hired new Czars with their staffs.

I don't recall saying that Bush was great, so I wish you obamabots would stop trying to deflect from obama's failures by bring up Bush's failures.

Obama has continued all of the Bush policies that you say were so terrible and in fact increased spending and debt way beyond what Bush did.

Face it, obama has been a massive failure and what he has planned for the next 4 years will only make everything worse--------------but he is half black, so nothing else matters.

 

You're trying to gerrymander what I said by holding the Constitution hostage by using it to salvage a debate for yourself.I never said the Constitution was invalid when slaves existed. What I'm saying is, while the document itself ended up being a masterpiece, without being godly, it was written at at a time in our history where men of great wisdom, obviously made a conscious decision to talk out of both sides of their mouth, while coming up with this masterpiece. I've said it before, when you're writing a right, and doing a wrong, what you have written at the time, means nothing to some and everything to others.That does not however, make the document itself invalid. The timing was very bad. And that is about as logical as you're going to get. And by the way, try not to insult your intelligence by throwing in the lame excuse that Lincoln freed the slaves. The constitution was written in 1787. He freed the slaves around eighty years after the constitution was written. So the two have absolutely nothing in common. The end of the Civil War accidentally freed the slaves.

 

America was established as a secular nation founded upon what was later called "classic liberalism" which is a political ideology that advocates civil liberties and political freedom with limited government under the rule of law and generally promotes a laissez-faire economic policy. It was the common political ideology of both the federalists and anti-federalists during the drafting of the US constitution and dispite political differences this common ideology remained shared by both major political parties for most of American history.

That common political ideology has been fundamentally abandoned by both the social conservatives today that control the Republican Party and the progressive liberals that control the Democratic Party which is why there is gridlock in Congress today and the extemist views of far too many Americans.

I've cited two posts that I believe represent social conservatism to use as an example of the abandonment of the traditional ideology of "classic liberalism" but could do the same related to progressive liberal posts.

In the first post it addresses the issue of abortion where the US Supreme Court ruled on the Constitutionally protected Rights of the Woman. A "classic liberal" would support a decision by the Supreme Court that ensures the Rights (liberty) of a Person in the United States but the "anti-abortionists" holding "social conservative" ideologies object to the protections of the Woman's Rights. This goes directly against the "traditional values" of America which supports the "liberty" of the People. The objection to abortion has been linked to religious beliefs and yet the First Amendment prohibits the imposition of religious opinion under the laws of the United States. Objections ot abortion rights in all cases is only supported by 7% of the American People and almost 2/3rds of Americans continue to support abortion Rights and oppose overturning the US Supreme Court decision in Roe v Wade.

Even though the anti-abortion movement is overwhelmingly based upon religion even with that there is only one group where a majority believe that Roe v Wade should be overturned (and it's not Catholics).

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/16/us-usa-abortion-poll-idUSBRE90F14W20130116

We can also address the "social conservative" opposition to same-sex (gender) marriage which conflicts with the traditional American political ideology of Liberty and the protections of the inalienable Rights of the Person. Our "traditional" ideal is that the Rights of the Person supersede religous beliefs and that laws should not impose religious opinions upon the American people. The inclusion of same-sex marriage under our marriage laws doesn't violate anyone's Rights in America but does eliminate documented discrimination under our laws that violate the Right of Equal Protection under the Law for same-sex couples. Over 1,100 federal statutes were identified as denying equal protection under the law for legally married same-sex couples because of DOMA Section 3 alone. When a same-sex couple is denied the legal institution of marriage the violations of equal protection under the law are exponential. A "traditional conservative" would oppose the denial of marriage to same-sex couples because it violates the traditional values upon which America was founded established by the "classic liberalism" political ideology.

Social Conservatives violate the traditional values of America because they've rejected "classic liberalism" which is the traditional political ideology upon which America was founded. As noted though I can also point out examples of where "progressive liberals" are also violating the traditionaly political ideology of classic liberalism as well but have limited myself here to just addressing the comments made that violate traditional American political values.

 

More people on food stamps. Dude, are you serious? More food stamps means there are more people. Which means there are more people in need of opportunity,while we have a growing population. There is a thing called population growth you know. And that has nothing to do with the president trying to grow government. What's growing, is the population and the need for more opportunity. Also, it wouldn't hurt for you to do a little research of your own about the number of unemployment checks getting cut, instead of focusing on hating our president.http://news.msn.com/us/us-jobless-aid-applications-fall-to-5-year-low. Seriously," but he is half black,so nothing else matters". The republican party lost because of this very thing. Try and grow up! And while you're at it, flush that stupid argument down the toilet about Obama growing government. It's starting to stink.

 

there are more people on welfare and on food stamps AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION as well as absolute numbers. there are 130,000 more people on the govt payroll than when obama took office. He has grown the govt, face that reality, as he said yesterday, he wants to grow it more because he believes that govt is the solution, not the problem---------half of the country disagrees with him. 74% of the country thinks that govt spending is the problem

Obama is an ideologue, he cares nothing about fixing the economy, he is determined to implement his liberal agenda and "social justice" no matter what it costs.

 

Like Trekkies who dream of "War drive being invented in the next 30 years"....I find it rather mean to dissuade the poor Randians who imagine either America become the "libertarian Utopia"...or even that "if it comes down to it, I'll make for Galt's Gulch in the Rockies".

Seriously? Somebody should create a "Renaissance Fair" for libertarians....everybody dressing up like Dagny and Hank and bartering for turkey legs.

 

What are those traditional American values? Just asking.

 

That is what happens when you have a great recession.

Why are you blaming Obama for the Great Recession?

 

We'll, now that I've taken the cues from your random thoughts of Trekkies, Rand, and Galt, you've boxed me in, and I no longer have any other options but to draw an egregious conclusion; "THEIR NUTS "!