Leftys finally admit to Murder !!!

If that procedure directly kills the fetus, then yes he is murdering it.

You do understand that there is a difference between dying and being killed, right?

 

It is no longer living after being aborted by the doctor. To me that is murder. To pro-deathers it is "just a simple procedure". Quit the semantics game. It's boring.

 

Welfare is simply aid given to others. Charity is welfare, as is government aid.

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So if I go into a hospital and die of natural causes, should my doctor be arrested for murder?

 

Force?

Who's forcing you to earn taxable income?

 

Are you joking? Those are government programs and funding.

Get real

 

an opinion piece is a current event in right-wing fantasy land? OOOOOOoooookay.

 

My own self reliance forces me to work for a living. I cant sit idly by and allow someone else to provide for me, when Im unwilling to do it myself.

I suppose I could become a dirt bag, but I wouldnt like myself very much.

 

Thats a phoney answer and you know it. You never even took the time to read them. Get a life pal.

 

I never said you were. I do feel your pain, however. We conservatives are without a party. I'd dare say that you liberals are quickly losing your party too.

 

Sure, Theres a difference, but if youre killed, you die

 

So even if it's given begrudgingly, it's a disingenuous argument to claim that welfare is taken by force.

In that case, I agree.

 

Yeah, "welfare" is not a bad word. When you say you are looking after the welfare of your children it doesn't mean the children force their parents to give them money. Unless you live in right-wing fantasy land.

 

No I read about half of the first one, then clicked on the second and realized it was more bullcrap, and stopped wasting my time.

 

I was a cave/open water scuba enthusiast.....if, deep in a cave, another diver were to cut my regulator hose I would naturally drown....have I been murdered?

 

All taxes are taken by force of government, charity is given freely.

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YES, You have been murdered

 

Only if he is complicit in your death. You could go in and not be fed. He didn't directly kill you but you died of dehydration because he refused.

The doctor is the murderer in abortion. The would-be mother is a conspirator and accomplice.

 

That was a fine post.

I am Pro-Choice. Abortion I believe is vile and horrible. However, I am not going to tell someone what they can't do with their own body.

Now I read your post.... I have to rethink this some more. Do I have an obligation to stand against abortion because it is indeed murder?

(Note: My now 10 year old son was born at 2.5 pounds. He is totally healthy today to the point that he is winning Jujitsu tournaments in the Light Heavyweight size of his age group and a straight A student.)

 

I agree facts are a waste of a right-wingers mind.

 

If you are going to use THAT as a standard, then it's time you start reigning in some of your leftist fellow travelers. Especially the HuffPoster who litter these boards with opinion pieces.

 

I guess the truth is a bitter pill to swallow when you don't like the links provided since they don't say what you want to hear.

 

You make sure you provide a FACT, then maybe we can have a discussion.

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They didnt say anything of what you claimed. Your just making crap up.

This is an abortion thread, not a federal budget thread.

 

When the taxes are enacted by democratically elected representatives, characterizing it as 'taken by force of government' is about as intellectually dishonest as it gets. Is that really all you have?

 

Obviously you never took the time to read my post or your reading comphrension skills need work.

 

Theyre liars cheats and thieves. Go make a thread about the government spending money wisely, and Ill come in and shred your claims.

 

Some do not like the complexity of human development, and would prefer to pretend that a microscopic, sentient, viable person suddenly comes into existence magically at the moment of conception.

They would bestow upon this tiny, insentient amalgam of a few cells the status of full personhood immediately, and then presume to order actual, developed individuals to obey their commands, including the person in whom their homunculus exists.

Given that knowledgeable, moral agents prefer to follow their own moral concepts and consciences in matters so person and private, the radicals attempt to impose their notions via the coercive power of the State, as if a pack of politicians would grasp a woman's or a girl's understanding of her own situation better than the woman or girl herself in consultation with whatever physicians, family, friends, clergy, and any other advisors she deems trustworthy.

There is a hardcore faction of these absolutists who desire an out-of-the-wallet-and-into-the-womb government to seize control of every woman's body upon conception and force her to submit to the State's will, but the traditional teaching of the Catholic Church as espoused by Augustine and Aquinas amongst others distinguished the stage at which the life in the womb becomes human, the "quickening" that largely coincides with the law of the land in the matter, "Roe vs Wade", based largely upon the scientific, undeniable reality of the gestative process.

It would be much easier for fanatics from one extreme or the other seeking to force everyone to follow their personal opinion if a fully-developed person, however infinitesimally-tiny, suddenly materialized at the instant a sperm penetrated an egg, or if there was no evidence of sentience until the moment of birth, but neither is the case. That is what occurs during the process of gestation, and reasonable, rational debate is limited to a mid-range of that process as to when an actual person has developed. It is at that stage, that society has a legitimate interest, not before, not to be deferred until later.

Taking possession of the female whose womb is the focus of attention as if she had not achieved personhood, dehumanizing her into a mere incubator is, of course, absurd, ironic, and insolent.