Leftys finally admit to Murder !!!

So is the earth still expanding?

 

Where is that written? Not saying I disagree, but where is it written that abortion is murder? Bible, constitution, other source?

 

Who is arguing that a fully-developed itty-bitty person appears immediately at conception? If you find yourself mischaracterizing your opponents arguments so blatantly, it is a good sign your agument is weak logically. There is not an alternate scientific version, there is only empirical scientific fact. You seem to be unable to differentiate between when life begins and at which point in the developement of a fetus does one attain the legal definition of personhood. I find your lack of empathy for the lives of the unborn inexplicably absent except in the case of a wanted but unviable pregnancy in you post that follows. Are we to understand that because there are situations where the fetus is wanted but unviable, that every abortion is justified regardless of viability?

Your limited capacity for empathy is underwhelming.

 

I would say that under this analogy I would have every right, (if I believed in abortion) to go into the apartment and kill that individual and dump his body in a dumpster. I think that your analogy is better suited for an argument against abortion, not for it.

 

not to mention math skills.... +/- 5000 X +/- 40 years = ?

 

Same difference, seeing as if he leaves your apartment, he won't survive for 10 minutes. And that's the key problem with abortion: in essence (assuming you accept that a zygote/embryo is equivalent to a human), it is refusing to give up personal autonomy and resources to another human being. The consequence thereof is that person dying... Oh well, even if their survival is dependent upon your resources, why should you be forced to give up your personal autonomy? Alternatively, look up the violinist analogy for a more... apt version of what I said above.

 

Right. Why should any woman be forced to care for her own offspring? If women who manage to kill more people in the first 3 or 4 days of the year than men do during the entire year are that homocidal, why do we even allow them to care for children after they are born? If personal autonomy and resources are motivation for homocide, why should it matter if the homocide is committed prenatally or post delivery? If banning guns is every imposed to deter murders, perhaps we need to have all women sterilized to prevent them from committing infantacide as well.

PS. I did a search of "violinist" and your screen name and got nothing.

 

Well said.

If you choose to take the risk, live with your choice.

 

Does that mean a person who contracts syphilis should live with their choice and forgo the penicillin?

Perhaps you could regale us with another overly simplistic platitude.

 

Perhaps you could enlighten us with all the wonderous possibilities that Syphillis has ahead of it if you were you allow it to thrive? Will it paint a picasso? build a rocket? Compose a symphony? Why would you make such a ridiculous comparison?

Sure maybe I could keep it at your level and toss out a red herring about influenza, and the wonders of keeping it around....


A human life....nothing more than Syphillis. Im glad I missed your 219 other posts, I'm sure they're enlightening.

 

Considering the colossal canyon that separates the actual point from your self-serving inference, I guess I'll scrap the plans I had to go back and read your 12,000+ other posts.

 

Theres a far better chance the earth is still expanding, than there is a stork bringing you a baby.

 

Why should that make a difference, when said offspring was unwanted?

Because post-delivery, you can deny the baby what is needed for it to live from you, and it can still survive - off, say, the state.

(And yes, I accept the logical consequence of this that the better medical technology gets, the less we will need to permit abortions, as the age at which a fetus can be extracted and salvaged will likely go down pretty much to the point where it's still a zygote, at which point it's essentially giving it up for adoption and foregoing the entire pregnancy.)

That's because it's not my analogy, it's someone else's from the 70s.

 

The "violinist" mental masturbation could ONLY come from a progressive leftist, pro-abortion propagandists....(likely... and sadly... an "academic" in one of our universities).....as it [very typically] removes ALL culpability from the person who simply "woke up" to find themselves in their predicament.

 

Amusing, In your analogy you equated your vagina to a small apartment building with room for rent. No salient point I just find that totally hilarious My best laugh of the day. thanks

On a somewhat more serious note. You opinion is a fetus threatens your bodily autonomy by having access to said body.
Well I hope you realize that fetus is there because somewhere along the line you granted someone else access to your body.
Lets just call it what it is and drop the noble analogies. You like sex but don't want children.

 

Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy - no matter how much religious fundamentalists would like it otherwise

 

Yes because both are still fantasy

Let us know when you get to the "Moon is made of green cheese one"

 

Non religous myself so I'll leave the fundamentals alone.
My point is lets not feign indignation over a fetus invading your body when you've already given consent to bodily invasion. Seems a dishonest arguement. Especially considering one can lead to the other.
I like sex but don't want children is at least an honest stance. Works for me anyway.

 

I dont think anyone would disagree, that is why we invented birth control ?



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I dont think anyone would disagree, that is why we invented birth control ?

 

Ah yes, so after your argument is either refuted or shut down at every turn you attempt the dismissive fallacy.

So you do you support the "right" of cancer to not be removed or killed off? It's human afterall.

Not specific enough? What about brain tumours or cancers? They are part of a human mind, while completely disabled consciousness, so you must of course agree that it is the "right" of that "person" to not be removed from another human host, right?

 

Youre comparing cancer cells to babies ( or a fetus w/e ) ?? Seems a bit odd. Does cancer have the chance to grow into the next president of the united states ? lol...

 

You gotta admit that makes a good arguement for some people not being suitable for child rearing.

 

No less an authority than the Roman Catholic church argues that a fetus is not a person. Of course, they were defending a court case at the time....

 

Are you aware that around 50% of abortions were on women who were taking contraceptive precautions? If you are doing so are you then consenting to pregnancy?

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Conversely does every fertilised egg become a human?

 

I should stop trying to make my own analogies. I'm pretty bad at it.

By having unwanted access to your body.

Hypothetical me (I'm still a dude). But yes, this is understandable. But to go back to the apartment metaphor, simply because you let your grandparents stay in the spare room for a few days doesn't mean that I want that moocher in there. After all, I like seeing my grandparents. They give me cookies and orgasms.

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NOTE TO SELF: STOP USING METAPHORS.

Is there something wrong with that? Simply because I am willing to use my bodily autonomy in a certain way does not mean I wish to use it in another, and I reject the notion that somehow, through sex, I am creating some sort of contractual obligation towards a "human" that couldn't survive on its own. Oh, and that only applies when the condom breaks, for some reason.

Nope. That's I like it so much more than fetuses. It's only likely to kill one person. ^_^

Jokes aside, this whole "potential" thing is kind of stupid. Yes, a fetus/zygote/embryo (not a baby) has the chance to turn into a full-fledged human being... if conditions are met. If nothing goes wrong during pregnancy, if there's no miscarriage, if the zygote is accepted by the womb, if the birth goes as planned, if the mother stays healthy. But here's the thing. Lemme make that same list for an egg cell: if conditions are met. If nothing goes wrong during pregnancy, if there's no miscarriage, if the zygote is accepted by the womb, if the birth goes as planned, if the mother stays healthy. If there is a sperm cell present. One more condition.