Praying versus acting

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  1. kowalskil

    kowalskil New Member

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    The following advice is from my prayer book:

    "Pray as if everything depended upon God, act as if everything depended on you."

    I think that this is consistent with the idea of NOMA, formulated by the biologist Stephen Gould. We exist in the material world; God exists in the spiritual world.

    The context in which the idea of NOMA was formulated is summarized in my article about futile conflicts between theists and atheists:

    http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/theo/atheist.html
     
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    More petrol on on the belief/non-belief campfire. The divide defies logical intervention.

    Enlightened believers/non-believers refuse to participate in this agony and walk away from engagement.

    Which I shall now do...
     
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    Strange idea. I would say we are spiritually existing in a material world where god is [not].

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDuye_qB-2o
     
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    Swensson Devil's advocate

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    What is the basis of discussion here? Everybody knows atheists and theists don't always get along. The quote you give from some prayer book lends nothing, even theists will agree that you can't just pray, you have to do stuff too. The NOMA idea would be kind of interesting, but you've strongly avoided to include any arguments around it, apart from asserting its truth.

    Seems to me like someone posted a quote for people to agree with and then a bunch of links to their own stuff in order to market themself.
     
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    spam...
     
  6. Vicariously I

    Vicariously I Well-Known Member

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    Tell me what's the difference between being an enlightened believer/non-believer who refuses to participate and someone who doesn't exist?
     
  7. kowalskil

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    Conflicts between theists and atheists are politically dangerous. They can lead to wars. How can such wars be prevented? One way to succeed is to promote the idea of NOMA.

    I am not marketing; my online books (in English and in Polish) are free. Internet offers a convenient way to share ideas.
     
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    Swensson Devil's advocate

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    I doubt that will stop conflicts. Most people will not accept your idea. If anything, you will have produced another theology which is just as much at odds with the other ideas as they are now.
    Promotion does not only cover ads to make money. This is the internet, it is overflowing with people who just want to be heard. As someone who posts obvious quotes, links to their own material (often and consistently) and created their own wiki page, you strike me as one of those.
     
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    IMO faith without works is dead. You can pray until the cows come home... but sometimes you just need to get out there and grab the bull by the horns.

    Interesting link OP, thanks.
     
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