New Atheist Billboard in San Diego Urges 'Personal Relationship With Reality'

But that belief DOES also harm others. Look at the Church's actions and Christians throughout history.

 

I don't believe in it but if that is what people want to do, no skin off my nose.

 

So, is the answer yes or no?

 

I started out posting on this thread a little over an hour ago and the first thing I said was Christianity is not like it use to be, so don't dig up the past. No one is being burned at the stake, or being stoned to death. That doesn't mean we don't have some who call them selves Christians and are the farthest thing from it.

 

So you would prefer to believe that in imaginary god created the Universe instead of just saying "We do not know....Yet".

 

Ah, yes, except they are killing homosexuals in Uganda. By the watch your last sentence is a perfect example of the No True Scotsman fallacy.

 

Religion is a source of inspiration and strength for millions.

Human rationality is a great tool, but there's more to life than that.

 

It isn't.. It's other people and their natural human nature of xenophobia that is. Religion didn't cause it.

Greed, hatred, lust for power, these are all built into our human nature.. They would be there with or without religion and people would act on these with or without religion.

Some people seem to think that if there were no religion we would all be holding hands and singing under the rainbow.. I don't think so.

 

Good point... people like to go on about bad they feel that religion inspired, and it is true there is some.. But it seems like they forget to factor in the good. How many people behave better thanks to religion.

To others that made comments for me but I've not addressed yet.. I'll not ignore you I'll get to them in a bit later.

 

First of all, that's a loaded question. You can't believe something and also regard it as "imaginary" at the same time.

Second of all, I said "we do not know...yet" already on this thread.. So I don't mind acknowledging that.. Although I did add the caveat that we may never know.. We may be extinct before such knowledge arises.

Lastly I don't need to justify my beliefs to others.. The thread is about preaching and trying to ridicule and/or convert others for their beliefs.

Although I'll give it a go anyway.. Why not? If I believe something that gives me the answer I need, ties up the loose ends, gives me purpose, makes me a better person, and doesn't harm anybody or anything else in any way whatsoever, then why the (*)(*)(*)(*) not?

 

Presicely. If I "believe" in unicorns, calling that "imaginary" would be just nutty.

Superb logic.

 

I see much speculation, hypothesizing, conjecture, promises, etc,

What I don't see is proof for your flat out contention...DOH! Better luck next time.

 

Tell me what did the Elephants gain by helping out the antelope?

 

Right...Is that why the majority (90%) of the hate towards homosexuals comes from the religious right?

 

Everytime you post on this you set the bar for selective anecdotal evidence a little lower. I can hypothesize why the elephants may have opened a pen if you like.
Isolated incidents like this, and wolves taking turns playing the submissive ones in the group, show no sense of morality
and every bit of anecdotal evidence given has other possible explanations. DOH!

 

Ok that does not answer my question.

Animals can tell right from wrong

From the above article:

Now, would you care to explain why Elephants would help out another specie, when there is NO GAIN for the elephant?

 

Animals can tell right from wrong

I notice you forgot to leave the bolded part out in your statement. Tell me, if a wolf doesn’t know right from wrong, then why does the wolf ask for forgiveness if it bites the dominant too hard?

 

So then, when I pass a billboard every day on my way to work that says, "Be saved by the truth" and has a picture of the bible, I should be insulted?

The hypocrisy of religion is they believe in preaching, and spreading the word, but then if someone spreads the word that they are the ones who are wrong, it is insulting.

Presonally, I find people telling me I am going to burn in hell for all of eternity a little negative myself.

 

Animals can tell right from wrong

Tell me, why would a rat care if another rat feels any pain or not? Why would a rat refuse food if that rat knows another rat will get a shock? Why would rat help another rat find food, when the rat could easily just take the food for him/herself?

 

Why does the weakling want forgiveness from the alpha male in school if he somehow injures or offends him? Is it possibly because the alpha will pound the crap out of him if he doesn't?...................................Yes. Obviously. There is no "morality" in self preservation.

 

Your dodge is noted with this red herring.

 

You mean it's not the answer you wanted, right?

You assume there is no gain for the elephants or wish to believe it. I can theorize if you like: the elephants merely want to upset the humans that put the antelopes there. Or there is some gain for the elephants that you are unaware of.
In this single isolated anecdotal incident my guess is just as good as yours.

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Your denial is noted with this weak deflection.

 

It's not about belief, it's about fact. Our genome tells us beyond a shadow of a doubt that we are not all descended from a single couple. Radiometric dating tells us homo sapiens have been around for hundreds of thousands of years. You can't "believe" we came from a single couple because the simple indisputable scientific FACT is that we didn't.

Give it a shot. Can't wait to see this.

Actually, we have LOTS of evidence in the form of NDE witnesses, past life regression, between life regression, as well as quantum physics that there IS a higher reality. But none of the available evidence says it's ANYTHING like what any earth religion says. A combination of Buddhism and Hinduism seems to come the closest to the reality.

 

I can respect people while at the same time pointing out their mistakes. If someone said to me "I believe the speed of light is 1,000 miles per hour", it's not being disrespectful to point out their error.

 

By bringing up bullies in school, it clearly shows a ignorance on why wolves play fight. So in order to make yourself look half intelligent, you toss a red herring in the hopes that people will say, ya that makes sense.

Mean while, they forget you are arguing from a point of ignorance.

ON that same token you assume this is just one isolated incident, but if you studied Elephants, you would know this is not the case, as elephants are one specie that has shown empathy on more than one occasion.

Elephant Empathy <--- Just to remind you, this is a link, You click on it and a web page pops up that your READ.