The aggressive promotion of homosexuality;

Your homophobic fear-mongering is just plain disgusting.

 

Social constructs don't just spring from the ground unbidden, previous generations, through trial and error have already found out what works best.

Unfortunately modern thinkers believe that they know more than any previous generation and continue to dismantle the very social constructs that made our society homogenous and strong.

 

Racism, sexism, and enjoying a salubrious smoke whilst cogitating in the outhouse. Alas, for some it's a case of paradise lost.

 

I'd like to see evidence of any malevalent agenda behind gay rights. Otherwise it is just more bigotry. I am not surprised.

 

I'm genuinely surprised you haven't guessed where he's headed with this. You know in a few more posts he's going to reveal The Kosher Power Behind The Gay Agenda.

I mean, haven't we ALL waiting for the other shoe to drop for awhile now?

 

My mother is a RC. My father a Protestant. Religion was not a big deal at all in my house.

 

Define 'homophobic'?

Perhaps you are 'hetrophobic'?

 

How does one balance normalization of gay men and behavior with the concerns of straight parents to control the way their children are raised in terms of values?

 

But for what reason it's referenced makes a difference. I actually agree with you on this though, people should just live their lives and do what they want there is no need to promote it.

 

Albert, you can see the corruption of normal values, on this thread alone.

I believe that any movement or org is measured, not only by it's people, but what their people have said and done.

I return to Peter Tatchell. Over here, he is not some fringe pervert, that the so called LGBT movement shun, and publicy denounce.

On the contrary, they take this attention seeking bandwagon jumper, and they make a hero from him.

A man that has said, or record, that is MAY not be possible to defend paeodphila, HOWEVER, sexual experiences with CHILDREN as young as nine, can be 'positive' as long as said child is 'compliant'.

At that precise point, no one should have had anything to do with him, they made him their icon.

What is 'progressive' or 'good' about a man like that, and what does it say about his movement..

 

Exactly.

For instance, I would not want to have a TV show or act, around which the entire theme was ONLY about my sexuality, and a cover my smut.

I tend to find a lot of homosexuals seems to define themselves ENTIRELY by sex.

I am hetro, but being hetro is NOT my whole being.

Here is an example of the type of people I mean..

Graham Norton

Norton is openly gay, and is known for his camp demeanour, innuendo-laden dialogue and flamboyant presentation style.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Norton

Julian Clary

he is known for his deliberately stereotypical camp style, and winning Celebrity Big Brother 10. He has also acted in films, television, and stage productions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Clary

ALL they have done is make a whole career around their sexuality.

 

Let's just focus on homosexuality for the moment. It's been legal and illegal throughout history. It's been accepted, tolerated, repressed and punished.

But it continues to exist.

It would seem that previous generations in various societies can't make their minds up about how to deal with homosexuality. Modern thinkers have the benefit of being able to have a look back in history and see what has transpired during those times when homosexuality was repressed and when it was tolerated. A quick look suggests that there was a lot more societal misery when homosexuality was repressed than when it was tolerated. It seems to me then that modern society should aim for less misery, not more.

 

A good question. I was raised as a child in Britain in the 1950s. This was when gay men who were found having consensual sex (even in their own homes) were arrested and imprisoned. It was also a time when police would spend a great deal of time hanging about men's toilets to trap gay men looking for a partner. I was raised with a certain set of values which included accepting diversity - racial, sexual and the rest of it. As a child I was aware that predators were around but I happily wandered around my home town (London) from a quite young age, by myself or with my younger brother, visiting all the historic and cultural sites and sights without a care in the world. I knew what to do if approached by a predator, run like blazes and yell like a banshee. But I never had the fear of homosexual people instilled in me. The caution about predators would have been given to me in the same way if I'd been born female, it wasn't gender-specific.

So my response would be if parents bring up their children to accept diversity in people as being perfectly natural and not to put prejudicial thoughts into their heads then their children will grow up to be well-adjusted adults (note, I'm not suggesting for a moment I'm well-adjusted, just that my parents did well with rearing me and my brothers).

If the parents' value system includes telling their children that homosexual people are evil then all I can say is when their children reach maturity they may look upon their charges and be pleased with their bigoted attitudes. But they will be doing their children a dis-service, bigoted people are, sadly, hateful and bitter about the object of their prejudice and that eventually becomes harmful to the psyche.

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I don't see any "promotion". Asking for equal rights isn't "promotion" is it?

 

They've made their campness work for them, so what? No-one has to buy a ticket or tune in.

 

There have been many occasions where it would have been preferable for Tatchell to have kept his trap shut.

 

Of course there would be, then what? The issue at hand would simply slide out of view and consideration.

Like it or not progress depends at times on people like Tatchell. I've never met him but he seems to be an irritating sort of fellow, but then irritants are needed. As G.B. Shaw said (paraphrasing), progress doesn't depend on the reasonable person, it depends on the unreasonable person. Tatchell is an unreasonable person.

 

I don't like Clary but I like Norton. He makes me laugh.

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The anti-Iranian propagandists were absolutely delighted with Tatchell.

 

Get out of here with that silly sh__.

Get a dictionary; we're using English here.

 

So.

Can a hetro male presenter define his entire act by smut about women?

Of course not, the liberal society would be up in arms over that, right?

So.

It is okay to use sexual innuendo, trendy even, so long as it is about sodomising men.

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Moving on, and @Albert.

Here are the words of your puppet President;

“There are still fellow citizens who hold fast to outworn arguments and old attitudes — who fail to see your families like their families — and that’s painful and it’s heartbreaking.

I expect to see a time in which our nation recognizes relationships between two men or two women as just as admirable as relationships between a man and a woman. (Applause!)

I expect to see our nation cherishing these relationships as we build a more perfect union—a union in which gay Americans are an important part. (Applause!) I am committed to these goals. And my administration will continue fighting to achieve them.

I’ve required all agencies in the federal government to extend as many benefits as possible to LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender ) families."

And, of course, you will know about this;


He called on Congress to repeal Defense of Marriage Act + pass the Domestic Partners Benefits and Obligations Act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Marriage_Act

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/hr2517

http://www.theroot.com/buzz/transcript-obama-gay-rights-speech

Who were the key sponsors of this?

You are American.

I am not.

You tell me who these people are.

In your own words, please.

Gary Ackerman, Howard Berman, John Adler, and Shelly Berkley, Rahm Emanuel.

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I am asking you.

Not a book.

 

Jack, it wasn't liberals who went after Lenny Bruce.

Sexual innuendo will always get a laugh - the issue is not to overdo it.

 

No, get the book. I did.

 

No, sorry mate, there is NO WAY that a movment can make such a man into an icon, and not be judged by extension.

I would expect my org to be so, if I had one, and one of the leading voices came out and said what was really, to be totally honest, so bad that maybe the Met need to visit the guy, in light of all the other high profile paedo's, like Saville.

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What does 'homophobic' mean to YOU?

 

How about this then, is THIS acceptable?


Jon ‘Stewart’

FAKE NAME, he is really ...Jon Leibowitz an agent of Murray Rothstein.

On his hate and filth show – Leibowitz shows a clip of a naked whore with her legs spread. Positioned directly in front of her vagina is a miniature Nativity scene (baby Jesus with His mother Mary and the three kings) .

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Sorry, I just do not find that funny, but I do find it v typical to how certain people desire to degrade everything.

 

I missed that one. What was the context?

 

There are thousands of examples to relate personally. A lot of homosexuals and heterosexuals can give examples; there are plenty in this forum most times.

The definition of the word itself however, is what it is.