They lied to us then and they are lying to us now.

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  1. Marine1

    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They lied to us and they are doing it now. Don't be fooled. This will do nothing to end our illegal problem



    That law prohibited the hiring of illegal immigrants, provided new resources for enforcement along the Mexican border and offered legal status, or amnesty, to several million illegal immigrants. In the current debate, which stalled last week when the latest legislative proposal failed to clear a procedural hurdle, senators of both parties cite the 1986 law as an example of what not to do.

    Senator Charles E. Grassley, Republican of Iowa, said he regretted voting for the 1986 measure.

    “I thought then that taking care of three million people illegally in the country would solve the problem once and for all,” Mr. Grassley said. “I found out, however, if you reward illegality, you get more of it. Today, as everybody has generally agreed, we have 12 million people here illegally.”

    The 1986 law was a product of more than five years’ work by Senator Alan K. Simpson, Republican of Wyoming, and Representative Romano L. Mazzoli, Democrat of Kentucky. Both left Congress more than a decade ago.

    Senator Byron L. Dorgan, Democrat of North Dakota, said: “I was here in Congress in 1986. I heard all the promises of the Simpson-Mazzoli Act. None of them were true, and three million people got amnesty. There was no border security to speak of, no employer sanctions to speak of, and there was no enforcement.”

    Senator John Cornyn, Republican of Texas, said: “The American people were sold a bill of goods. It didn’t work. We got an amnesty, and we got no enforcement. That is why people are so distrustful now.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/12/washington/12immig.html

    E-mail them and tell them no citizenship.

    http://www.contactingthecongress.org/
     
  2. AceFrehley

    AceFrehley New Member

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    This just goes to show you: nothing has changed. Same two parties selling us all the same old BS.

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    This just goes to show you: nothing has changed. Same two parties selling us all the same old BS.
     
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    Yours is not to ask why, yours is to do and die.
     
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    The title of this thread sums up the entire history of governments on planet earth. Well done.
     
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    Marshal New Member Past Donor

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    (Caution: My viewpoints ahead.)

    The Pentagon parasite is interested in only 1 thing: Power and capability for itself. It is not interested in protecting the United States or its people, or government. If it WAS interested in protecting the United States it would give up money, because the country can exist if it is not being drained, it would give up bases because the country is safer if it is not being over stretched, it would give up research programs because the country is safer with a strong nuclear deterrent, it would STOP hemorrhaging money in time of peace, it would STOP wasting money on obsolete technology after obsolete technology, it WOULD ensure there is massive production capability at home, it WOULD save its money for real conflict.

    As it is now, the US Pentagon parasite is draining its host and endangering the people of the United States in all these ways, while depriving the country of the wealth and productive capability it needs for a real conflict.
     
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    he governments are parasites interested in only 1 thing: Power and capability for itself. It is not interested in protecting its people, If it WAS interested in protecting the people it would give up money, because the people can exist if they are not being drained, it would give up bases because the people are safer if they are not being over stretched,...yeah you get it.
     
  7. Burz

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    While interesting, I don't see how purely online and utnraceable money wouldn't lead to your losing money in some crime.
     
  8. Marine1

    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They are soon going to bring out another bill offering citizenship and I know it won't be any different. If we give them citizenship, there will be millions more coming across the border and we'll be facing the same thing a few years down the road with millions more. We don't have to deport them, but we don't have to reward them either. Many of them will go on our welfare rolls which is already over flowing with unemployed Americans. We need you guys to contact your Congressmen and Senators and tell them no citizenship.

    http://www.contactingthecongress.org/
     
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    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The government is not the one hiring illegal immigrants.
    They are here because those splendid "job creators" that you people worship have sold you down the river so that they can make even more profit by hiring immigrant labor for slave wages.
    You only have yourselves to blame.
    Personally, I prefer immigrants to anti-American right-wing bigots and traitors since they add more to our society than selfish, mean-spirited reactionaries.
     
  10. Marine1

    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is that the reason our government sued our state for punishing companies for hiring illegals? They weren't Right Wing. It was a split decision by the USSC and all the judges voting against Arizona were Liberals. Good thing there weren't more of them or we would have lost.

    "The U.S. Supreme Court today ruled federal law doesn't preempt an Arizona measure that punishes employers who hire illegal immigrants. The split decision was a blow to immigrant advocates, business and civil liberties groups, and the Obama administration."

    Under the Arizona law, companies caught hiring illegal workers can be stripped of their business licenses. And employers are required to use the otherwise-optional federal verification program known as E-Verify.

    Arizona is a Right Wing state. So who do you want to blame now?
     
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    Well, by admitting "nothing has changed", at least you're acknowledging Obama isn't doing anything different than Bush did.

    So, what was the reason we needed to elect a Republican again??
     
  12. AceFrehley

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    Of course Obama is just like Bush- only a little worse. To answer your question: because Obama failed, and Romney had at least accomplished the things Obama swore he'd do but failed. But still, they weren't much different, either.
     
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    Do the math. If taking care of 3 million illegals without dealing with border security in 1986, has given us 12 million illegals in 2013, essentially quadrupling the problem in 27 years, then taking care of 12 million illegals in 2013 COULD lead to having to take care of 48 million in 2040.

    I said "could" because "past performance doesn't guarantee future results". However, unless our lack of fiscal responsibility has no consequences, and therefore there is still some semblance of an economy remaining to provide a few jobs for Mexicans (while untold millions more American citizens languish on welfare and unemployment) through 2040, I doubt the mere granting of amnesty without dealing with border security will render the trend completely irrelevant.
     
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    True, and the same can be said about pretty much all government entities.
     
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    Funny how liberals rarely if ever distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants. Personally, I prefer immigrants to American losers who choose to sit around, whine and complain and demand others keep paying more so they can keep getting their free cheese.
     
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    Maybe we could work out an exchange with Mexico. They'd be losing their workers but getting some dammed experienced drug dealers.
     
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    Good lord, with those gun-running ops going south and the violence never-ending in Mexico, of course people are going to flock here, especially when becoming a citizen is made easier. "Well, I guess the bosses are hiring new workers."
     
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    Laws on the books don't matter. Enforcement of laws on the books matter. If there were a thousand agents making a hundred raids a week on businesses employing illegals and if tens of millions of fines were being handed out each week such laws would have an effect; as it is, they are just window-dressing.

    Similarily, there is absolutely no reason why the border can't be made a lot harder to cross. The different stretches of border are amazingly different in how easy or hard they are to cross, as are the attitudes of the local and state politicians.

    There is also no reason why a much-expanded work permit program couldn't be put in place, especially in conjunction with both an amnesty AND a much stronger crackdown on future illegals and the hiring of such illegals. Marine1 is quite right in suggesting that an amnesy BY ITSELF fixes only part of the problem and actually encourages future illegal immigration.
     

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