10 Years Ago We Went To War For Oil

You are claiming things that have never been proven. You can't provide any proof and all you have is what amounts to a Daily Kos tin-hat conspiracy.

 

You have screwed up and failed to follow the lib play book which says that America hating libs are supposed to pretend love this country.

Use Obama and his estranged wife as you example of how to act.

 

Or your alleged "ulterior motives" are complete Leftninny Bullcrap. Bush DECIMATED al qaeda.

Obama has done a great job of empowering them, even helping them acquire a NICE, MODERN MILITARY, in Libya, and their fellow terrorists, in Egypt.

Was that his "ulterior motive", with his overt support of the "arab spring", aka: The ISLAMIST TAKEOVER of NOTH AFRICA?

 

yeah, you keep tellin yourself that sparky. lol! the whole world what kind of nation you've been. frickin disgusting!

 

those goalposts getting heavy ??

 

You tell me since you've dragged them all the way from Iraq to Guatemala.

 

no , america did! and a damn sight farther than that.

 

So far, you have provided exactly 0 data to support the looney claim that the U.S. went into Iraq for the sole purpose of a few corporations to corner the oil market. People who claim Obama doesn't have a BC are 'Birthers'.....People who think 9/11 was an 'inside job' are called 'Truthers'....How about people who believe in oil conspiracies.....how about 'Oilies'? I kinda like it.

 

sure beats being a head in the sand apologist for a brutally aggressive bully of a country that has been murdering its way thru the third world for decades

http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html

 

It's well known around the world that U.S. involvement in ME is about oil. U.S. has been one of the major sources of world conflicts since WW2. Most Americans are too stupid to see through what our government does for corporations as long as they tell them it's for national security and freedom.

 

70% of them polled by gallup said saddam was responsible for 9/11.!! Goebbels would have had a field day is this country!!

 

A lot of things are 'well known around the world' but that doesn't make them the least bit true. The problem with you oilers is that you live in an echo-chamber where fantastic conspiratorial stories are repeated until they become a matter of 'fact' to you. None of you oilers have provided any evidence to support your claims. Just Daily Kos utterances and liberal talking points.

 

Don't be to hard on Russia, they're still suffering from the Socialist plague.

 

All that's really relevant here is what currency that oil is trading in.

 

Does that make you a crusader for believing in the propaganda of invading Iraq for humanitarian reasons? Or maybe we can stick with the venerable sucker to describe those people.

Our wars are for economic gain, chiefly to prop up the currency as a world reserve. I'm thinking the corporations are simply swooping in like hungry vultures to take advantage of the newly opened opportunities, though certainly the people in charge of these multinationals have the money on hand to influence politics in numerous ways to their own favour as well, such that they might help influence decisions to go to war.

But the petrodollar is the main thing. Got to keep that alive for the sakes of many, including economies outside of the US who are depending on our currency nearly as much as we are.

 

Realpolitik is still around, yes. Have you ever heard of "A Clean Break"? It's the primary reason why we're in Iraq. Oil, the removal of Saddam and the spread of democracy would be interests too. And you see, the things going on or that have happened in Syria, Lebanon and Iran, that's a part of "A Clean Break" too.

 

What, we're wasted money and lives on Iraq because Israel wanted Saddam ousted? While we share interests with Israel, that alone isn't reason enough for the Iraq invasion. There's also the fact that we, and not Israel, carried that invasion and occupation out.

The USA wouldn't do Israel's bidding without a good reason to do so.

 

The restructuring of the Middle East is a big prize. 9/11 was the gateway that opened up and allowed us to do the policies certain individuals had been planning and plotting to do for some time, see: Defense Planning Guidance, "A Clean Break" and Rebuilding America's Defenses.

 

But to what end? What is the big prize in it? I'd be very surprised if it weren't purely a petrodollar/US economic imperial prize, which would still put us in agreement with one another, ultimately.

 

Well, it makes Israel more secure. With Iraq out of the way, and Syria and then Iran to come, Hezbollah in Lebanon cannot stand on its own. The region will be owned, entirely, by you know who. The US isn't reaping the majority of the benefits in this deal. Israel is. It was conceived to benefit Israel's security by men like Paul Wolfowitz. You know, neoconservatives.

 

I am fully awake and I know that we did not go to war in Iraq just for the Jews.

But if you think we did so what?

We have gone to war for the British, the Chinese, the Koreans, the French, the Arabs, Muslims, and the Filipinos too.

 

Ah yeah... and AIPAC does not dominate the US foreign policy about the middle east.
oh please

 

I too once thought I was fully awake, but it is amazing what you learn once you remove the blindfold that is American media.

As to your second point, all that seems to be to me is a reminder of how the US strings are forever pulled by people who have only their own self-interest at heart.

 

There were a variety of reasons, all of them linked, and none of them having anything to do with the bogus case the Bush adminstration peddled.

Oil was number one.

That's a hard argument to support for a variety of reasons, most supplied by the Bushies themselves.

First of all, Americans (even the far right) would not have sent their sons and daughters off to die for Exxon, Chevron, BP or Shell. So and excuse had to be manufactured.

Second, the Bush crowd knew that the American people were not willing to sacrifice for the Iraq war. That's why they underplayed the costs ,and then hid them with their "off the books" gimmick. It's also why pictures of returning soldiers, coffins, and any discussion regarding reviving the draft were quickly banished from your TV screen.

Even with all those precautions, public support was fickle. By 2006, as Iraq descended into civil war, the public mood made it clear that voters were not willing to support a long term military occupation of Iraq.

Sadaam Hussein was an evil dictator who murdered his own people. So were Pappa Doc Duvaliear, Idi Amin and Mobutu Sose Seko. The US didn't wake up one morning 15 years later and decide that we needed to start a war in Haiti, Uganda or the Congo,. but we did in Iraq.

The Iraq war was a crisis manufactured for and by the Bush adminstraiton and the yellow journalists in US right wing media. There was no threat, no crisis, and no need.

The US military prescence has been transferred to Bahrain. We didn't need to start a war in Iraq to do that.

The US war in Iraq, and the Bush adminstration's energy policies have made us more dependent on fossil fuels than ever. And GOP energy policy is aimed at keeping us that way.

Yet, that's precisely what the Iraq war did. The price of oil began to shoot up within days of Bush's notorious "axis of evil" speech. Foreign ministers and oil experts all over the world gasped at the stupidity of the US President. The lessons of history made it clear that no economy dependant on oil had any business getting involved in military operations in the Middle East, at least not without broad international support, and the support of most of the oil states. Britain and France proved that in Suez in 1956.

Yet, that's precisely what the US did. Retail gasoline prices in the US gradually climbed from $1.5 to nearly $4 by July of 2004. The loss of all of Iraq's oil production coupled with a sudden surge in demand from China drove prices up. Bush's reckless and unnecessary war drove up prices and cost every American money at the pump, and is still costing them money on April 15th.

 

False,

The Bush adminstration did not "make sure" that Iraq's oil reserves were fully controlled by Iraqis. They found themselves powerless to do otherwise.

Only a fool would think that an Adminstration dominated by oil men, and financed in large part by oil companies would altruistically allow anyone to control oil reserves but themselves. That's childish fantasy!!!!!

Bush bungled the war, and their plans to tie up Iraq oil reserves with Production Sharing Agreements came to nought.

Bush tried to blackmail the Iraqi government into passing the Iraq Petroleum Law (which was written by lawyers in Houston), by delaying committing to a withdrawal date. It didn't work.

And yes, Iraq went to China and Indonesia. It's their revenge for us having invaded their country.