Women Drugged,Maimed,Babies' Throats Cut at Phil. Abortion Clinic of Accused Murderer

Na, Thats all false.

If obama said what John McCain said, an abortion would be illegal.

Yes, obama will fund abortion with federal money, via obamacare.

Pregnancy is a preexisting condition, she could show up with a dollar and get an abortion, or 15 empty beer cans, and 2 captain crunch box tops...

 

Hmmm, do you always answer questions by giving orders? Somewhat elitist wouldn't you say?

 

Do you always attempt to bring in off topic subjects? Are we talking about gun control or abortion here?

If you believe you have a valid comparision which shows flaws in the OP's premise by bringing up an analogous gun control argument, then you should address it to the OP not me.

My views on gun control have nothing to do with this thread.

 

Not so.

Firstly, there's the Hyde Amendment, which has been law now since 1976.

Secondly, there's the fact that Roe V Wade was passed by the SCOTUS. The president can't trump the SCOTUS.

Thirdly there's that other inconvenient truth that we just went from having one of the most adamantly pro life presidents ever to having one of the most pro choice ones ever, and nothing changed in abortion law as a result.

Then, there's that strange little factoid ignored in much of the abortion debate that the president is just that, not a dictator nor a king. What he thinks of abortion is of little consequence.

 

No I know exactly why the OP started this thread. It was your argument that I found amusing and hypocritical. I wasn't looking to debate gun control in an abortion thread. I merely asked you if you could see the correlation between your two opposing views. Thanks for never answering the question. You should be a politician.

 

Because Margaret Sanger was the founder of PP let's look at her own words as they relate to this case?

On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born."

On the extermination of blacks:
"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."

On sterilization & racial purification:
Sanger believed that, for the purpose of racial "purification," couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization.

Couples should be required to submit applications to have a child, she wrote in her "Plan for Peace."

The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds,"

On the rights of the handicapped and mentally ill, and racial minorities:
"More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control."

With these attitudes as the base of PP I expect that there are more of these cases than we might expect.

 

So wait because the person who started an organization and had racist views back even before the civil rights movement that the current organization is also racist? You do know a lot of pro-choice people don't support things like birth control and abortion because they are racist but for the fact it supports the freedom for someone to choose what they do with their bodies and reproductive rights.

I could look at many points of history of people supporting abhorrent things while still supporting and promoting very good things, you can jutting look at the founding fathers for an example of people of their time yet still supporting very good and effective political ideologies.

 

The funny thing is much of the reason for a higher percentage of STD rates in the homosexual community was through homophobia, since homosexuality was very much socially (and in other cases legally) prohibited homosexuals had to go have sex in private places that were normally not very hygienic and ended up spreading a lot of diseases within these groups of people. As for suicide rates among women that have had abortions I do fail to see much of the direct connection between them other than probable correlation, if you have a study showing an actual link between them and actual reasons that would be again helpful since from what I've read after abortion became legal suicide rates among women who have had an abortion went down. Though you have to also consider the suicide rates and birth since the rate for depression increases statistically and unless you are an anti-natalist it seems about as relevant as your link between abortion and suicide.

http://www.factcheck.org/society/abortion_distortions.html

I take very little consideration on what people on the left want to support when considering my own opinion, if I happen to agree with them on a social issue which I sometimes do I will be against people assigning views to it.

Okay lets give you all this how does this affect the issue of abortion at all? Every surgical procedure has risks so the only reason this would seem relevant is for personal information assuming it's all factual which from what I could see seems somewhat factual.

Is it not for an individual to decide for themselves what they choose to do even with the consequences, surely this is a founding tenant of individualism which I assume you would support along with liberals.

Late term abortions are not protected under the law so even if there is more of these people out there you are supported by the law in getting these people prosecuted and I would assume not many people would be against further regulations on certain organizations, I would imagine even liberals would support that.

What did I deflect exactly?

 

The Hyde Amendment is ROUTINELY IGNORED by Planned Parenthood, and likely others as well.

An IN DEPTH examination of both PP's TAX RETURNS and FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE, reveal NO SEPERATION OF FUNDING for ABORTION , which is listed under "other services".

 

If you can document that, then you could be a whistle blower.

So, why don't you?

 

Isn't an IUD much more preferable to the medical procedure of abortion, especially in modern times?

 

Only the right believes our generation long wars on abstractions and resorting to weapons of mass and micro destruction are any better, even if they require central planning and the coercive use of force of the State,

 

It is, but IUDs don't always work.

 

We should ban ALL abortions....that way every illegal one can follow along the lines of the OP.

There's women's health for 'ya.....

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We should ban ALL abortions....that way every illegal one can follow along the lines of the OP.

There's women's health for 'ya.....

 

Being smart enough to NOT HAVE UNPROTECTED SEX, if one does not wnat children, is very much "preferable".

Anything on EARTH is "preferable" to cutting the throats of newborns...

 

I nevr said "ban all abortions", did I? Way to defend the CRIMINAL ACTIONS of the OP cited clinic.

Abortion is one of the LEAST HEALTHY things that can be done to a woman. Partial birth abortions are currently being performed in MARYLAND.

You have "no problem" with this?

NEARLY all abortions should be banned, except for extreme, rare crircumstances.

So you , apparently, favor cutting the throats of newborns?

 

I don't think you are gonna get a big reaction. Going from this



To just pulling them out and cutting their throats isn't a great leap. They might even feel it is a whole lot more efficient. I don't know how willing they are to commit to their outrage.

 

Not all liberals are baby killers, but all baby killers are liberal.

 

Wow...fall off the deep end much?

Which is your personal attmept to justify cutting the throats of newborns, at abortion mills,and Planned Parenthood's BLATANT violation of the Hyde Amendment, as well.

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Yeah...."womens' health"....nauseating.

 

Not all Republicans hate women, yet all women haters are Republican.

Makes about as much sense.

 

I'll bet that cutting the throats of newborns does.....

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GO read a LEftninny "Palin Derangement Syndrome" thread, and get back to us....

 

Considering just a little over half of those aborted are female... you tell me.

 

NO, they're just "clusters of x-chromosome cells"...having their throats cut,or their skulls punctured...

 

I live in Philadelphia. This monster strengthens the pro choice position that women should be given safe and clean places to carry out their procedures. This is what it would be like if SE returned to illegal abortions.

 

Really? That is what you take away? Not that this mindset and practice devalues human life... to the point where medical professionals partake in it... and you think that this is applicable to the pro-choice movement?

A "return" to this? This never occurred. The ASPCA treats dogs better than this. You own this.