Atheism

It is bogus. I have lived homelessly for the most of twenty years, and by far, Christians make up the majority of the people comforting the poor. Only once have I encountered a humanist group participating in the distribution of food in a community center, but it was in cooperation with a Jewish group on that day, usually it is handled by Christian groups.

 

I would agree with this statement.

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Not in the scientific community.

 

Religion is not intended to "give anything tangible" to humanity. It is for mystical concepts, which most humans have need of. yes, I know you enlightened atheists don't feel that, but the rest of us do.

 

My observation (and I have a graduate degree in biology) is that there aren't many atheists in the scientific community. Agnostics are probably the majority. Probably about the same number of atheists as there are religious people.

 

Really??? What is religion designed to do?

Do you have a social contract system derived of the scientific theory of life?

 

wait wait wait... are you asking me to defend something I didn't say?

C S Lewis. First chapter of "Mere Christianity". I won't waste my time explaining it, because I can already see you won't even attempt to honestly understand it.

 

I have that book. I also googled Lewis's evidences for God.

The need for God's causation was cited.

Are you picking and choosing what you want to address? Or do you need to read the book again? Why not simply state your argument instead of playing word games?

 

The OP is rather incoherent.

 

I suppose you realize that Christianity is based on humanism and cannot exist without it. However, Humanism can survive and will thrive without the tenets of Christianity and do very well.

What social problems have you and religion solved? Religion just seems to be a great ill and mental problem many suffer from. Please do outline where lack of religion has caused a problem. If so, I'll have 30 points that show the opposite.

A second cumming should have long ago. I'd like to know what your god was doing for 30,000+ years before he decided that mankind was evil and needed to be wiped from the Earth in a mythical flood. Was your god that dense? He is or was supposed to be all knowing and all seeing.

Certainly not religion. Look at it this way. There's supposed to be one god, this you'll agree on. Now, it would seem to me that this god would not have splintered you people into 3 specific Abrahamic faiths and probably hundreds of sects and denominations that pretty much compete against each other if not fight and go to war against each other. To be more effective and fiscally secure, one faith with one church or denomination would have worked well. Is this god confused or did he not address mankind well enough to get this across?

This is humorous at least. Why lump forms of politics and economics, with religion? Keep in mind that communism has never existed in any country at any time... just assumed forms with dictators in charge. Oooh... can there be African Atheists?

There are no systems of logic. This presumes variations of logic when there is just logic.

If you desire some legislative action, which is really pretty strange, for your answer I propose a one world government void of religion with the economic and governmental operations being that of social welfare and well-regulated market economy and representative unity government.

You seem a bit steamed. Oh, you mean Christian you. Oh and by the way, you may want to check your age vs. mine before saying "son."

 

That's good for you if you need things you cannot explain and which were created to satisfy early ignorance. I do not believe because I do not require a deity, I'm not afraid of a made-up devil, and I'm not afraid of death. What I do not want is someone to insist that I believe in a bogeyman in the same way they do.

 

The good news is church attendance is way down and the mega churches that are heavily attended have no real message except rock music (stupid Religeous version) is uplifting. Teaching actual religion is long gone thank God

 

Because you have a Master's in biology... you therefore know that most scientists aren't Athests. Exactly how many scientists are in "not many"...? How many have you observed and how many is the majority of X when you do not know what X is? Probably? Biology is a science and doesn't use "probably" as an answer.

 

The calendar is the result of astrology :-0

 

I like that.

Have you seen the Dr. Who episode "The Face of Evil"? That could explain it..

 

Brilliant...and absolutely true.

 

"Learning" does not always lead to "practicing". Far too few "practice what they preach". One does not require a religion to be moral.

 

Sorry, Mr. Dictator, we will continue to not believe in a god in much the manner we ignore your claims to glory.

Sorry, Mr. Dictator, we will continue to not believe in a god in much the manner we ignore your claims to glory.

 

QUOTE=REPUBLICRAT;1062548601]One does not lack morals simply due to a lack of religious beliefs. I am an atheist. I am also an extremely caring person with good morals. I love people. I believe in people. I believe atheists who are good, caring people actually have an advantage over religious people in that they are not inclined to judge people based on religious beliefs. I can't tell you how many times religious people who didn't know i was atheist were completely shocked to find out. They've actually said things like "You seem like such a good person though." As if that is no longer possible now that they know I don't believe in God. They also seemed surprised that I hadn't told them they were stupid when they talked about God or Jesus in front of me in the past. As if I have to be an a**hole if I'm atheist.[/QUOTE]

Thanx...you have expressed that much better than I could have. I am also an Atheist, I share your views, and have experienced much the same from religious people.

 

I would vote for "C".

 

Terrific post! Thanx,.

 

An understatement...

 

No. I've seen no evidence of religion taking a priority in people's contribution to society. I, as an atheist, have contributed far more than many religious friends and acquaintances in my area, and far less than others. Religion has had no part in this.

As an atheist, my moral compass is simply formed by my values that I've developed over time through logic and reason. I do not need an authoritative moral leader, and so I have more freedom to do what I think is acceptable based on how I would like to live my life.

I don't recall Atheists ever having a social plan, other than the loud ones declaring hatred for religion.

You speak in broad generalizations. What do you define as real property? What does Christianity and Judaism have that Atheists don't? Places of worship? Shouldn't Islam and other religions be included in that group as well, then?

Besides, what about these places of worship makes it "real property" that would sustain a community?

How is the criminal justice system or military corrupt? The military doesn't decide on what they do. Congress and the President do. And yes, our justice system has flaws, but that's improved with time and people who want to improve it. That doesn't make it corrupt.

Besides, we don't need a new Constitution. We have the amendment process for a reason. If we don't like something about the Constitution, with a large majority, we can change it.

We won't need a new Constitution. It has vague wording and the elastic clause as just two examples of how it was meant to be a government's frame, not the government itself. It's ambiguous because it is meant to stand the test of time, and the amendment process allows us to change it as we see fit, to fit our time. And atheists don't need a seat at any table, because atheists just like myself are perfectly fine with separation of church and state. You preach what you like to preach, and don't shove it down my throat.

You didn't seem to realize that when you made this thread.

 

I got big news for you. I do not believe in the existence of a supernatural dimension of human experience, and we will be doing things in accordance with the scientific theory that I have deliberated.

 

Not without my help.

Theist religion has solved the problem of social organization for the past several thousand years. A problem that was difficult to understand - how do you lead a large mass of stupid people who reproduce indiscriminately and uneconomically???

Atheists cannot form autonomous community because they do not trust each other.

I do not believe in the existence of a supernatural dimension of human existence - if there were a god it would have revealed itself to me, or it would have delivered the scientific theory to Mankind, before I could have deliberated it.

There is no god, and obviously the leaders of religions made mistakes that were impossible to correct, because of the lack of accurate information in the past, and the overwhelming population of stupid people - you are familiar with the scientific theory of the bell curve of human intelligence, aren't you? Where do you think you fall in that curve - I assure you I am of the desirable end.

Then call it systems of reason. Principles are devised in order to organize people to do things. People do not do things for a community simply because they want to.

A one world government is probably imminent, and it will be following my theory of epistemology, and ontology.

I am not a Christian, what lead you to believe that I was???

 

Sorry, Mr. Dictator, we will continue to not believe in a god in much the manner we ignore your claims to glory.