Differences in Crime Rates Among Racial Groups

I found this quick 2 minute video on Youtube the other day. Kind of short and to the point, I guess. It starts of by showing the crime rates for all the different races, which is pretty shocking in itself. I would have guessed the violent crime rate for African-Americans would be about the same as the White-American and Hispanic-American rates, but the violent crime rate for African-Americans is actually more than twice as high as the violent crime rate for Hispanic-Americans. The video then presents the education and income levels for various races, which shows that African-Americans are more educated and have higher incomes than Hispanic-Americans. To me this raises the question, as the video's producer intended, if Hispanic-Americans are less educated and have lower incomes than African-Americans, shouldn't Hispanic-Americans have a higher violent crime rate than African-Americans? The video also questions the effects of the MAOA "Warrior" Gene. I found that aspect interesting, but the genetic research seems limited.

I used to think that better education and higher incomes would have a strong effect on crime, but after seeing this data, I just don't know. I'm interested in seeing what my people at Political Forum think about the questions raised in the video.

[video=youtube;iw7vfHMkgbw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw7vfHMkgbw[/video]

 

Income, fundamentally, in my opinion is largely to blame. It affects where people live, the kinds of work opportunities for which they have the greatest access, the qualities of home environs and education children can receive, and so forth. It is certainly not the only important piece of the problem. Genes pertinent to differences betwixt the races are irrelevant, though on an individual basis genes might have a role to play in whether a person - regardless of their arbitrary racial category - has tendencies related to personality or emotions that put them at higher risk of becoming a violent criminal.

Even if patterns of income became level between all racial groups, there would be the problem of racial groups having very different amounts of certain kinds of capital. It takes generations to build up some of these sorts of assets, meaning even if there is superficial racial equality in the economy at some point and colorblind public policies, Whites will on average still be getting access to at least somewhat better opportunities due to the acts and acquired privileges of their ancestors. I find it useful to conceptualize racist policies and social orders as politically radioactive. The effects have a half-life that could put completely apparent irrelevancy of race in statistics out of our reach for generations or centuries.

The statistics are a product of past (and present?) racial inequality in society rather than any innate racial differences.

 

I'll reply to you later, I'm a lil busy right now.

 

So in your opinion, it's mostly environmental. But if you'd observe the data in the video, you'd see Blacks have the economic and academic advantage over Hispanics. Blacks have 17% higher incomes than Hispanics and the percent of Blacks with college degrees is 9% higher than Hispanics, yet the violent crime rate for Blacks is over 100% higher than Hispanics.

 

Sorry but it is really hard to give much credibility to a "quick two minute video on you tube". How abou som credentials and names of the authors.

 

Ive seen some study that stated IQ and incomes pretty much match across the races, just some races have higher average IQs. Of course single parents plays a massive role in crime, poverty, income ect which can in part come down to culture and values. We've seen reports posted here how regular church goers are less likely to get divorced.

 

Regardless of whatever studies, surveys, polls, wishful thinkers, etc., etc. show, everyone knows that blacks have by far, the highest rates of violent crime. One has only to watch the news media reports -- national and most of all, local. Almost 90% percent of all violent crimes -- robberies, muggings, home invasions, fighting, rapes and trouble-making in general, not to mention vandalism, are done by blacks.

Nevertheless, this is merely what is expected in the world's leading democratic, racially diverse society and must be tolerated and accepted. Black violent behaviour is inherent to them -- it's in their genes -- it's a natural part of their culture and must be understood and accepted as such. What is taboo in one culture may be perfectly accepted and encouraged in another culture. Americans must strive to accept and respect the culture of all.

The popular belief that black people are ashamed of their violent, aggressive culture is simply a myth. Most of them will say in private that they are proud of their violent, macho culture because it makes other races afraid of them and eager to meet their demands.

 

In 2007, Latinos accounted for 40% of all sentenced federal offenders—more than triple their share (13%) of the total U.S. adult population. The share of all sentenced offenders who were Latino in 2007 was up from 24% in 1991, according to an analysis of data from the United States Sentencing Commission (USSC) by the Pew Hispanic Center, a project of the Pew Research Center.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2009/02/18/a-rising-share-hispanics-and-federal-crime/

 

Depends on what you mean by crime. There are two kinds of crime, that which is illegal and that which is legal.

 

Your "fact" is worthless since this thread is about violent crime, and your fact is "federal" crimes of all types, including immigration offenses. When you mug someone, rape someone or murder someone, it is not a federal offense and would not even show up in your chart.

 

IQ is very much dependent on environment, social standing, family dynamics, nutrition, income, type of exam and probably a dozen other factors...

 

due to legal costs of good defense lawyers the poor go to prison more than the middle-class and wealthy...blacks and Latino's will go to prison out of proportion to the percentage of population they make up...

 

Its the breakdown of the family and anti-American values that create high violent crime. Education and Income are either secondary or not really relevant. In my opinion....your income and education bracket doesn't dictate how hard it is to do right as opposed to wrong. Growing up in a chaotic, single parent house---would make doing the right thing harder.

 

The American Psychological Association found IQ to be about 80% genetic.

 

All the sources are in the description for the video on Youtube. They are from http://www.colorofcrime.com , the FBI, Dept. of Education and the US Census.

 

My point is races on average do have different bell curves on IQ, however people (no matter what race) with say 100 IQ generally fall in the same income bracket. Now of course the things you listed play some part, but id argue the biggest role they played was in human evolution, how the races evolved differently. I read a good way someone explained IQ, i was something like - think of it like a tap, a higher IQ just means you can handle more information, but you (the individual) still have to turn the tap open. In other words higher IQ just gives an advantage, its no guarantee of anything. Take a group of people with a 'fast running gene', taking a random person from each group in a 1v1 race the slow gene person has a solid chance to win. Take 10 from each group and the fast group is more likely to win overall, take 100 even more so, take 10m and they'd certainly win. The egalitarian arguments get destroyed by weight of evidence, its just not political correct to discuss it. This isnt to say a race is better, they're just different, Im sure we all recognize generally blacks are faster the other races.

 

It's ones values that determine ones conduct. One can be poor and uneducated, and still be honest, decent, and hard working.

 

All of the above. whould be an answer. to try and base criminal behavior on one variable is not valid or reliable. Crime and criminal behavior is too complex to be dumbed down for simple people to understand or draw conclusions from.

If anyone is attempting to come to a conclusion based on one variable or in this case, even a set of variables. they are just pure idiotologist trying to make a case to blast some BS propaganda.

 

So you're saying we can't use the scientific method. Ok, I'll get my answers from a shaman then.

 

lol, and i guess that has nothing to do with income or education, u r actually agreeing with this thesis even if u dont realize it....

 

smart parents make smart children, duh..

but is it race related?

 

Income and even education have absolutely nothing to do with crime rates. Immigrants, including blacks from the Caribbean and Africa, consistently do better and their kids do better even though they come here for the most part at a severe economic disadvantage with very little education and in many cases don't even speak the native language. Yet for at least three generations they far outperform native born US citizens in education and income. Just take a look at statistics on children of Middle Eastern and many Asian immigrants. They run circles around even white people.

Single mother homes, families that just don't give two (*)(*)(*)(*)s about their kids education, absent fathers etc. Those are the causes of why blacks in this country are so far behind everyone else.

 

No. It is different. Children from low income, less educated but intact families (mother and father) do hugely better then children from low income single parent families. Its boys and girls with no father in the home...or children raised with numerous father figures coming into the home but not staying long enough to bond, that have the most issues. It causes turmoil. Poverty is sustained by some sort of abhorrent behavior. The breakdown of the family in ghetto communtities are really kids living in abhorrent situtations.

 

IQ isn't fixed it can increase and decrease they're culturally sensitive and testing and scoring are subjective...locally our aboriginals did not enter the medical field in proportion to the population, they scored on average too low to gain admittance... the standards for medical school were adapted to adjust for cultural differences ...an adjustment was made in how they were scored saw more gain enrollment in med school...it would seem at first to be a bad idea allowing those who scored lower admittance but they actually scored better than average once in the program...

without proper context bell curves are useless, comparing two or more different cultural groups is comparing apples and oranges, cultural differences, wealth, location, social strata all effect the outcome...to make an accurate comparison every person needs to have the same background...if you were to compare the IQ of wealthy elite white americans and white trailer trash would conclude that wealthy people are smarter than trailer park communities...

IQ is more of an indicator of cultural background than ultimate ethnic intelligence...IQ tests results of West German children were about 10 points higher than of their East German contemporaries in pre-unification days, since unification the East Germans gains have erased that gap...in a genetically culturally identical populations there was a 10 point gap! the difference between the two? wealth...wealthy populations will always score higher...

 

not having adequate food and shelter is a great driver of crime...when someone is locked into a cycle of poverty they will resort to desperate measures to escape...breakdown of the family plays a part but poverty is the heart of that as well, probably the number one cause of divorce is financial...