Independent Kurdistan

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    By ABDULATEEF AL-MULHIM

    03/12/2011
    No one wants them to be in their territory, yet no one wants to give them their own territory


    The Kurdish people have enjoyed the highest form of freedom for thousands of years. They mainly lived in northern Syria, east of Turkey, west of Iran and north of Iraq. They enjoyed the ability to move from place to another without any restrictions. They were one people, one language and one form of life. The number of Kurds all over the world is over 30 million. But, they don't have a nation. Before World War I, they didn't need one. They were free to wander around. They are Muslims. But not Arabs. And it should have made no difference. Islam has no nationality. But, the Kurdish people are different. No one wants them to be in their territory, yet no one wants to give them their own territory.

    With my humble knowledge, I will only talk about the Kurds in Turkey, Iraq, Syria and Iran; not the Kurds scattered all over the world. Books will be needed if you write about the Kurds. They were subjected to relocations and they were considered a lower class in all the nations they lived in. The Turkish territories are the most beautiful part of these countries. After the World War I and the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, new nations were created. No one single piece of territory was given to the Kurdish people. And the Kurds couldn't move through the borders of these new nations. And even though the 1920 Treaty of Sevres was intended to introduce new states including one for the Kurds, it never saw the light. And after the takeover of Turkey by Kamal Attaturk, the Kurds were not even allowed to speak their language. It was a crime to say the words Kurd or Kurdish. And it wasn't until the 1990s when the Turkish people heard the word Kurds.

    The highest number of Kurds in any one nation is Turkey. There are about 15 million Kurdish people. Why they are considered a minority if they 15 million people? The Kurds in Turkey were in an open war with the Turkish government for many years and to this day. And at the same time the Iraqi Kurds were under constant air raids by the Iraqi Air Force. The number of Iraqi raids and the amount of ammunitions that were used by the Iraqi government in the 1960s and 70s was the reason why Saddam Hussein had agreed to the Shatt Al-Arab agreement in Algeria when the Shah of Iran met Saddam in the mid-70s. The Iraqis simply ran out of ammunitions. The Iraqi Air Force and Turkish Air Force were engaged in the longest air raid campaign in the history of air wars.

    The war has been going on for the past 45 years. Yes, the Iraqis stopped using their air force when the American showed up in 2003. But, it wasn't after the use of every kind of weapon that was forbidden by the international community. It was an American magazine (the Newsweek) which broke the news of mass chemical weapons against the Kurds in Halabgah. No one knows to this day how many Kurds were killed by Turkey, Iran, Syria and Iraq. And the ironic thing about those four countries is that they are the ones who make the loudest noise when Israel uses its military might against the Palestinians. I am not saying the Israelis are right, but why those four countries always brag about their weapons if they use it against their own people... Oh, I am sorry, Kurds are not considered humans by those four countries.

    In Syria, the Kurds are not even recognized in any way. It is like they don't even exist. They live in Syria, but without the simplest form of rights. It was only two months ago that President Bashar Assad declared that Kurds will be given the status of citizens. Why now and not 80 years ago? And in Iran, there was a call for a “holy war” against the Kurdish areas. The Kurds helped the Iranians overthrow the Shah in 1979. But, they weren't given a single seat in the newly formed Majlis. The irony is that the Mullahs threw the Shah out to bring equality among all Iranians. And to this day people ask the Iranians, how can a Muslim country initiate a “holy war” against Muslims (the Kurds).

    What really surprises me about Iran, Turkey, Syria and Iraq is, every government official in those four countries knows who is the Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit. And what is his health status during his capture. But, not one of these four countries ever revealed the number of dead and injured Kurds. We see the United Nations spend billions of dollars to save ten thousand people from an earthquake, disease and flooded cities. But, we never heard of even a speech talking about more than 30 million Kurds. With all the vast area in the Middle East, not one piece of territory was given to the Kurds. The Kurds can make the territory more beautiful and more productive. Just look at Iraq's Kurdistan and you will see how sophisticated and hard working the Kurds is. Why not give them a chance to cultivate, build and modernize their own territory? We saw the United Nations listen to the voice of the Southern Sudanese. And they were given their own country. The United Nations even divided Sudan for the Southern Sudanese. But, we never heard anyone speak about the right of 30 million Kurds to have a place they could call home.


    http://arabnews.com/opinion/columns/article539987.ece
     
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    Salahaddin, Kurdistan - Iraq (KRP.org) – President Barzani yesterday met with the leadership of the Syrian Kurdish National Council to discuss the political situation and the role of the Kurdish opposition in the uprising in Syria.

    The Syrian Kurdish National Council, which leads the Kurdish opposition and demonstrations in the Kurdish areas, was formed in a recent conference in the north-eastern Syrian Kurdish city of Qamishli and includes 11 political parties and 11 independents, all based inside Syria.

    In today’s meeting, the representatives of the Syrian Kurdish National Council briefed President Barzani on the latest developments in Syria as well as the outcome of their talks with other Syrian opposition groups.

    President Barzani described today’s meeting as historical and commended the unity of the Kurdish opposition in Syria and the peaceful ways they have pursued in calling for their rights. “This meeting is very important for both the Kurds in Syria and Kurdistan in general as it is intended to talk about the future of the Syrian Kurds,” said the President, voicing the Kurdistan Region’s full support for the democratic aspirations of the Syrian people and Kurdish rights.

    “You must play your role very carefully and ensure that democratic values and Kurdish rights are recognized and guaranteed in the Syrian Constitution. I call on you to work closely with those both inside and outside the country who are prepared to meet your demands,” said President Barzani, urging the Syrian Kurdish leaders to ensure that they are not dragged into any possible sectarian strife in that country.

    He also urged them to promote and support peaceful co-existence and tolerance among Syria’s various religious and ethnic communities, including safeguarding the rights of the Christian community.

    http://www.krg.org/
     
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    A group of Kurdish students from Iraqi Kurdistan


    December 5, 2011

    The people of Iraqi Kurdistan have suffered for decades in pursuit of freedom, democracy and statehood in the hands of tyrants and dictators. They have been victims of ethnic-cleanings, discriminations and constant denials which very unfortunately persist in certain countries hitherto.

    Since 1991, the six million Kurds in North of have demonstrated full aptitude and bear all the hallmarks of a nation state that can sustain itself and become eventually independent. The recognition of group identity and right to self-determination is a basic and universal human need, and the Kurds are not an exception. The time has come for the United States to unequivocally recognize this need. Such recognition will establish a foundation for future relationships built on understanding and mutual respect. It will encourage and lead to the emancipation of multiple other religious and ethnic oppressed peoples in the Middle East.

    The Arab Spring has emphasized values of freedom, justice, and dignity, and US foreign policy in the region should be in harmony with supporting these ideals, irrespective of the political costs associated with such actions. The 6 million Kurds in North of Iraq should be fully seconded for demanding full secession and the recognition of their state.

    For decades, American foreign policy in the region has struggled to balance strategic interests and values.
    U.S. President Barack Obama, October 26, 2011. Photo: Getty
    President Obama should equally advocate the right of Kurds by pioneering to outline the proposal for an independent Kurdistan in North of Iraq with world leaders as an opportunity to demonstrate the United States commitment to universal human values of justice and freedom, rather than acquiescing to political pressure and lobbying of certain regimes. Kurdistan should not be singled out from myriad other deserving countries that recently achieved their self-rule.

    Kurds have demanded for a fair and free referendum to be held soon which will mirror the genuine aspirations of its citizens. It will be supervised by an independent body. Its outcome must be honored by both the central government in Iraq, as well as Kurdistan autonomous region in North. The United States has a moral and legal obligation to espouse the legitimate self-rule issue of 6 million plus stateless Kurds in North of Iraq in accordance with the wishes and will of the people. It is time to recognize Iraqi Kurdistan as a sovereign and independent state.

    http://www.ekurd.net/mismas/articles/misc2011/12/state5639.htm
     
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    (Devlet Bahçeli) Leader of MHP political opposition party in Turkey and an Allawi from Desrim expressed his concerns of the collapsing of Assad regime and criticized Turkeys foreign policy about interfering in Syria's internal affairs .
    Bahçeli also says that the west has planned the project of establishing a great kurdistan in the ME and gradually the project is developing and after its done with Baghdad and Damascus it will come after Turkey and Iran .

    Source: Safir newspaper
     
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    PUKmedia 20-12-2011 11:05:21

    Falah Mustafa Head of Foreign Affairs Department in Kurdistan Regional Government , on Monday, met with Larse Tamaras Dutch Deputy Ambassador in Iraq.

    Both sides discussed at the meeting ways to enhance bilateral ties as well as exchanged views over the political developments in Iraq and the region.

    The Dutch Deputy Ambassador , shed light on his country's relations with Kurdistan Region and the mechanisms of the expansion of these relations.

    He said that his country plans to appoint a representative in Erbil, to consolidate the relations between two sides, especially in the political, economic and cultural fields .

    http://www.pukmedia.com/english/ind...n-region&catid=29:kurdistan-region&Itemid=385
     
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    Kirkuk city...Photo Karwan Salhi

    The Iraq Council of Ministers (ICM) issued their permission to build a civilian airport in Kirkuk. The governor of Kirkuk formed a committee to create a plan which is due to go into effect starting from January 8.

    Ali Hamadi, a representative of the Kirkuk governor for Technical Affairs said, “Early this week, the ICM ordered that a civilian airport be built at the same location of the old airport.” He added, “For this reason, the Kirkuk governor has formed a committee which starts working from next week to implement the project as soon as possible.”

    The committee consists of the Municipality of Kirkuk, Property, Ownership, Environment and Planning Directorate members. Hamadi said the location ‘has no problems’ and the ICM agreed on the location.

    Kirkuk Airport was built in 1957 as an international airport. At that time, the airport was only used by mainly British airplanes. In times of the Baath regime, the airport was used for local flights. After 2003, the airport was used as a military base for the U.S. troops called Forward Operating Base Warrior. After the U.S. withdrawal, the Iraqi army was urged to control the airport which resulted in some temporary tension between the Kirkuk police and the army who had control of the airport at that time.

    After the tension was appeased, Iraqi PM Nuri Maliki promised Kirkuk governor Nejmadin that he would grant permission to change it to a civilian airport.


    Short URL: http://kirkuknow.com/english/?p=6655
     
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    PUKmedia 04-01-2012 10:50:39



    Head of Foreign Affairs Department in Kurdistan Regional Government , in a press statement on Tuesday , said that the Iraqi government has approved the opening of the United Arab Emirates consulate in Erbil , the Capital of Kurdistan Region .

    The Iraqi Council of Ministers has approved the recommendation of the Foreign Affairs Ministry about the opening of a UAE consulate in Kurdistan Region’s Capital Erbil, Falah Mustafa added.

    A noteworthy to mention, KRG has representations in a number of countries among them: the United States of America , Britain, Germany, France, Italy, Switzerland, Belgium, Spain, Sweden, Australia, Austria and Sweden, while the number foreign countries representations in the Region reached 24, including the representations of Egypt, Turkey, Jordan, Iran, Britain , the United States and Palestine.

    PUKmedia.com
     
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    [12:40] 07.Jan.12

    [President Barzani:If people of Kurdistan call for independence, I can't stand against their will]


    Erbil, January 07 (PNA) - The President of Kurdistan region Masoud Barzani said in an interview with the department Persian BBC that the Iraqi government must find a solution to political problems facing Iraq now and in the event of continued these problems, the Kurds will assess all the possibilities, stressing that the solution to the current crisis in Iraq, dialogue and the agreement of political parties, or early elections.

    In response to a question on the issue of Tariq al-Hashimi, Vice President of the Republic of Iraq, said President Barzani: "This is the case before it two ways, first is that the work of the judiciary to resolve the issue, and the way the second is for the political leaders in Iraq by holding a national conference and through dialogue to find a solution to that the case. "

    And on the trial of al-Hashemi in the Kurdistan Region, the President of the province, said: "If the judge has issued his decision, and was this resolution the approval of political leaders, will work with them with all our energies. But unfortunately there is a lack of confidence between the political blocs, the impact on the Judicial Council, which made the political parties in Iraq does not trust the Judicial Council. "

    With regard to the presence of Tariq al-Hashemi in the Kurdistan Region, President Barzani: "I did not ask the judiciary to hand over al-Hashemi, it has been announced in a letter that it prevents travel out of the country."

    In response to a question about whether the request for the judiciary to hand over al-Hashemi, said President Barzani: "We must point out here that the Judicial Council in the Kurdistan Region separately and is not linked to the Council of the judiciary in Baghdad. This issue is a political issue, and Hashemi is the vice president and political leader is a cross-section of people . this issue needs a political solution. and if people wanted to sabotage the political system in Iraq, it will be for the Kurdistan Regional Government to take its own position. "

    On the phone call he received from Joe Biden, U.S. Vice President, the head of the province: "I haven't asked by Joe Biden to deliver Hashimi, but he called on to solve this issue through dialogue."

    On the agreement of Erbil, the head of the Kurdistan Region: To "The Agreement was based on a partnership basis in the political process, but unfortunately did not last this process, has not been the distribution of positions in an equitable manner. Makes no sense to remain security positions vacant a year later, the army is suffering from serious problems, and that the system of military and security apparatus are contrary to law, they must be under the supervision of the House of Representatives. "

    And on the crisis in Iraq at the moment, President Barzani said: "We have two ways, either we have to solve problems through dialogue and political agreement of the parties, or early elections."

    The President of the province on the legality of the oil contracts concluded by the provincial government with Exxon Mobil, was concluded on the basis of the agreement with the Iraqi government and under the law, and described the position of the central government about our contracts with Exxon Mobil Balkhatie, take it that position opposed to the interests of Kurdistan, and we will not accept the status of any obstacles in the way of this decade, we will not stop the claim article 140 has not been implemented to resolve the issue of Kirkuk, warning that if the problems persist in this way, then we will go back to the Parliament of Kurdistan, and whatever the opinion of the people of Kurdistan, we will implement it. "

    The President Barzani said: "If the opinion of the people of Kurdistan even claim for independence, I can not stand that then deduced from it."
    President Barzani noted in this regard: "We have committed to stay within the Parliament of Kurdistan Iraq when the Baghdad government is committed to the Constitution and federalism, democracy and pluralism."

    President Barzani stressed: "The Kurds will not participate in any government are marginalized, whether Sunni or the Shia, but if it did not work Maliki's coalition to solve problems, then we will consider all the possibilities."
    And about his vision for the future of the region, President Barzani said: "I want the Kurdistan Region to evolve day by day. But really what I wish is to see an independent Kurdistan."

    Source: BBC Persian
     
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    An independent Kurdistan will always be unrealistic. Do you think Turkey or Iran want Kurdistan, heck even in Iraq the Kurds are only controlling like three cities. Once the current Iraqi government collapses, and true nationalistic government unlike this sectarian puppet government that was brought by so called democratic means, Kurdistan will not be given any glimpse of independence and it will always be be part of Iraq. This not at all Kurds want to exert the dominion of Kurdistan into Kirkuk and Mosul both cities which are not historically Kurdish and are opposed to the Kurdish claims.
     
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    we do not care what Turkey and Iran want !!! who gives a DaM man , we kurds in south kurdistan we decide our own fate not like turkey which was created with a big chunk of kurdish lands in 1923 by the Brits and French . in 1921 when iraq was declared independent Iran's shah also was against it and only recognized it in 1927 , so let them not recognize us who gives a Dam . it will be our decision via a referendum , all you turks and Persian can do is close your borders , not a problem Syria is becoming a Sunni and democratic state if you know what i mean and we have the backing of Arab Sunnis as well a friendly neighbor . .

    so keep your borders closed and remember this is not the ottoman era , this is the Arab spring and UN era ;) .
     
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    A Turkish newspaper called Aydınlık has published an article on Sunday claiming that Pres. Barzani has decided to declare a kurdish state ... he is the article (Gee the Turks are a paranoid race aren't they LoL)


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    Aydınlık: according to the information obtained in the northern Iraqi kurdistan Kurdish leader Massoud Barzani has decided to declare an independent state.
    This decision gives full support for the PKK and Barzani. The PKK also 'Turkey the Kurdish problem' refers to the UN for an international move to the floor


    Saturday, January 28, 2012 02:56

    The bright, historic region of northern Iraq could lead to important conclusions reached in a claim. Accordingly, the northern Iraqi Kurdish leader Massoud Barzani has decided to declare an independent state. Barzani, Jalal Talabani's party, especially in the meetings, he stated that in order to convince other Kurdish groups.

    According to sources close to the claims of Barzani, Massoud Barzani its environment before the "declaration of independence" idea did warm up tours. Then Talabani's Patriotic Union of Iraq, the PKK and the Kurdish opposition movement Nurşirvan Mustafa, Goran (Change) negotiations launched in the environment.

    Walks with the support of the PKK

    According to the information provided to Aydınlık'a, PKK, Barzani was a consequence of the "full support" gave. Talabani at this stage, "a declaration of independence" opposed. Goran group did not support the Barzani, but also did not reject. Goran, the Kurdish region of the work of parliament and the attitude of Barzani's government continues to participate.

    The talks between Barzani and the PKK, the Kurdish parliament with the support of the PKK which is being led through a three-person group of MPs. A representative mouthpiece for the PKK was in the socialist origins of this group is loyal Omer.

    Source: Rudaw / Aydınlık .
     
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    i would check my info before i type if i were you , first of all you are talking to a kirkuki that has had his grand grand fathers living in kirkuk 2nd here is the proof that the ottomans themselves said "kirkuk is kurdistan" ...... and 3rdly who does it belong to ? Arabs who migrated from Saudia or turkmens who migrated from "Azerbaijan" ??? kirkuk was a villages and was establisded by the Gutti kurdish tribes ... read some real history before you type .

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    this map proves the kurdish history of kirkuk its made by the ottomans in 1893 showing kurdistan region borders with kirkuk part of it ..... and kirkuk has always been kurdish but Arabized by Saddam after 1957 census in iraq ( after Kurds came majority in the province) . A notable amount of Turkemn also lives in kirkuk who migrated to the city in the 12th centuries from Azerbaijan.
     
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    Microsoft Corp. said on Thursday, the Kurdish language had been added to the list of languages offered by the product in Windows 8 of 14 to allow users to utilize more of this product in their native languages.

    The company announced through its website, that it added new 14 languages for its product known as (Windows 8) , so the number of the languages reached 109 languages after it had been 95 languages .

    On the other hand the company confirmed that the users can select the language they want by adding language options in the service of this new product, which makes it easier for users to benefit without needing to translate how to use languages that may not use correctly.

    The company added that the user can now choose the language from the language preferences in the Control Panel to add a language by clicking on the link "Add Language" which would lead to the list of languages.

    Source: Shafaq News
     
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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYP3oB56YVU"]Pres. Barzani's speech in Nawroz kurdish new years 21.3.2012 - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    Kurdistan finishing its independent oil pipelines to turkey bypassing anything i-racki thus becoming independent of i-rack totally :D
     

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