Finally there seems to be a move away from the absurdity and cruelty of the abortion laws in the Republic of Ireland. This predominantly Catholic country has allowed women to die rather than have an abortion. That's the result of Catholic 'morality'. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22363459
I'm not sure I fully agree. I cannot speak for Ireland specifically, but the other nation in Europe in which abortion is not possible, is Malta. In my vast experience of that island and their people, it was never an issue, since they tended not to be v promiscuous, and were v much into marriage etc. It never developed into back street abortions, of anything of that type.
http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...hiopian-jews-declining-11.html#post1062151242 What do you think the rate of abortions are in Israel and Ireland? You really think a 3rd of pregnancies in Israel end in abortion? Yet you don't want Ireland to ban abortion. Why is that? What is the magic number?
Off the top of my head, I don't know. High in Israel, I believe. Hard to measure there, as information conflicts, but Israel are not in Europe, I was speaking from the perspective of European nations, of which two have been cited. My own view is that it is unfair to have a bash at RC as 'not being in the 21st century', simply because they do not embrace abortion as part of their culture, I then went on to show that in Malta(98% RC), there has never been a real issue with this, despite abortion being illegal there. Why not? I explained that as well. People tended to be more inclined to marry, not be promiscuous, etc. Happy?
The law regarding a risk of loss of life from physical illness sounds sensible enough but I'm wondering if it's a good idea to give an abortion to people who are contemplating suicide. The procedure can be traumatic at the best of times and especially somewhere like Ireland where there is a social stigma to add to that. I can't really see it being the best way to treat someone who is having suicidal tendencies. In fact I could see the procedure being detrimental to people who are already experiencing mental instability.
Best way to avoid unwanted pregnancy, wear bloody protection. Is it really that difficult? It will save you and others a whole lot of grief.
The same thing was wrong in Ireland that's wrong in all of the other nutty religious countries. The women keep raising nuts that grow up to oppress them. That's a sign of mental illness.
Catholics don't use 'protection'. It's against their faith to, and that's why you see huge families in the Republic.
Yes, technically that is true, however, I have a feeling that the vast bulk of those in Ireland in this situ are single. Therefore, having sex before marriage. Therefore, against their religion. Therefore, they may as well go all the way and use protection, if it's not too much effort to take a bit of responsibility that is.
The vast majority of women who require their pregnancy to be terminated to save their lives are feckless singletons who deserve to die because they had unprotected sex? And if not WTF is your problem with a law codifying a pre existing constitutional right to an abortion where there is a real and substantial risk to the of the mother?
Jack, judging from the few Maltese I've met and conversations with a close friend , I'd say - by + large , Maltese family values + how children are raised /taught to conduct themselves are somewhat different from North Europeans . Could explain much lower promisciuoity .(spell)? Perhaps its coz young Maltese lovers prefer looking forward to having fabulous weddings instead of a quickie in some dark corner.(wink-nudge)
I think yes, there is that difference. But why? If both are RC countries, why does the actual geography matter. It seems to, but how? That was all I was really driving at, to be honest. Can't really be doing with others strawman arguments, and putting words into my mouth. I have my own.
Yes, that is one isolated incident, and in that one case, from what I can gather from it, she should have been treated.
Well, is it any wonder? It seems girls are attacked, whatever they do. If there are too many abortions, and I for one think the figures for the UK alone are a disgrace, then this sadly gives traction to some of the more dubious elements among the pro life groups, since they can then fairly point to something and say 'It just is not right'. However, lest the girl take the harder path, and bravely decide to have the child, and pretty much devote her time to raising the child, what do our trashy media do? They attack her, esp if a single parent, as if somehow there should be a free pass give to the man in that situ, why is there not emphasis given to the duty and dignity(or lack of), of the male that often cuts and runs, leaving the girl with the decision? It would be impossible and dangerous to ban abortions in a country that already has them. A country with a no abortion policy can only work, if it is has never ventured there, and if the culture itself is not demanding of change. However. At the same time, we should not dress it up as something other than horrible, because it is. Esp late term one's, I cannot really and fairly find myself at ease with that, or those that have had two, three, or more. I mean, come on, that last example, that is a disgrace. Therefore, the best thing to do all round is drive the numbers down, by way of people being less slutty, and if they must be less slutty, be sensible with it, and stop putting burdens on yourself, others, and society. Men should also be taking a long hard look at themselves, they don't need to stay with the girl, or her with him, but who can possibly have a daughter or son, and NOT want to share in the moment, and do SOMETHING?
Completely avoiding the point that in a thread that deals with legislation that ONLY covers the provision of abortion to women where their has been a clinical decision made that as a matter of probability there is a real and substantive risk to the life of the mother you choose to a insert a glib comment that using birth control would avoid the situation. Dr Peter Boylan head of the national maternity hospital gave evidence that in that case the X case ruling would not have saved her life as even if the doctors had identified the infection earlier they still could not have performed an abortion under the x case, as the risk of death from infection was too small. And Michelle Harte? Who had to leave the country to access an abortion that her obstetrician and oncologist deemed neccesary? And Miss X the suicidal girl in the case on which this ruling and the new legislation is based? And Miss C the woman who could not get a doctor to even tell her what risks she faced from continuing with her pegnancy? - - - Updated - - - Abortions to save the lives of fertile childbearing women who would otherwise die. Yes it would be far better that they were left to their fate.
Right . I sow a few seeds ., nurture the seedlings - water my bedding plants regularly, feed + . protect it from frost , etc. , I'd do everything in my power not to leave it to their fate, Of course there are some seeds which will not germinate - as you say best " left to their own fate " (wink) "what will be - WILL BE" . nowt much we can do about it. There's a part of me which see "human life " not much different to other life forms - please dont ask me to explain , it's irrational but that's how I sometimes feel. towards the frogs/birds + other creatures in our garden.
