Why are Buddhist monks attacking Muslims?

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  1. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

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    my question is - Why are Buddhist monks(in Burma) attacking Muslims? and no one even tries to answer ,

     
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    litwin Well-Known Member

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    can you imagine world where Mecca and Medina are under a christian rule?

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    was it Cham originally from Vietnam who moved to Borneo later under Vietnam pressure?
     
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    Nope,, the Cham originated from Borneo and surrounding islands. By the 9th century they had a huge kingdom which covered most of what is now South Vietnam. Later the Cham came under pressure from the Vietnamese in the north and the Khmer in the west and the Cham empire began to shrink. In the 15th century the Cham suffered a serious defeat by the Vietnamese and it was all over. Around the 17th century, the Champa kings converted to Islam.

    The lady I buy my coffee and tea from is Cham of Cambodian heritage.
     
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    Is ownership forever of all land touched by vermin qualify as religion or government tyranny?

    “Lands developed and tilled by human hands and those which come under Muslim control consequent on jihad are considered to be the property of the Muslim society and none can purchase or sell even one metre thereof.“
    http://www.al-islam.org/philosophyofislam/17.htm

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    I do not think we can determine why (Buddhists are moving to Medina and Mecca and why the Muslims are killing them there) if you are going to give such ridiculous answers; the belief you hold when immigrating or standing still is an actionable thing, it can determine whether you are seeking to join or seeking to destroy, and it can determine whether you are separatist or loyal.

    Answer my question.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_people#Post-war_Islamic_insurgency
     
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    DivineComedy Well-Known Member

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    It takes time to figure out why people do things, like more than six pages.
     
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    Common language(s) is often seen what determines ethnicity. This is particularly so in SE Asia. Also Celtic people are determined by language.

    One example are the Tai-Kadai speakers which make up the majority of Thais and Lao, and the Shan in Myanmar.
     
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    often but not the always, why do Saudis can not provide them with refuge, like Russian and Freshmen did to Armenians?
     
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    Don't really know. Maybe Saudi Arabia doesn't want 3rd world foreigners in their country. Also, although both Saudis and Rohingya being Sunnis, their languages and cultures are vastly different.
     
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    Not being an idolater I have no religious holy sites; the charge was that they were being put in a state of subjection and humiliation and being abused, not that they were being forbidden to go. We have the Koran as proof, and it could be better but that is your problem.
     
  10. philxx

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    My comrades in Sri Lanka and the 4th international have that question covered,the leading section of the party in Sth Asia !
    Sri Lankan Buddhist chauvinists provoke violence against Muslims



    By Gamini Karunasena and Wasantha Rupasinghe
    9 January 2013


    President Mahinda Rajapakse’s government is again giving tacit support to communal provocations against Sri Lanka’s minorities in a bid to divide working people amid the country’s deepening economic and social crisis. This time, Muslims have become the main target of chauvinist groups.
    An organisation called Bodu Bala Sena, or the Buddhist Power Force, is in the forefront of organising violence against Muslims in various parts of the country. Like Jathika Hela Urumaya (JHU), a partner in the ruling coalition, Bodu Bala Sena claims that Muslims are a threat to Buddhism. Its declared purpose is to “strengthen and defend the Buddhist religion” and its heritage.
    This organisation recently launched a provocation against Muslims at Buwelikada, a small town 15 kilometres from Kandy in the Central Province. The town’s predominantly Muslim population includes small shop owners and vendors.
    A group of Sinhala youth travelling in a bus began a quarrel with Muslims, claiming that a van had obstructed the road. Several Muslims injured in the clash were hospitalised. The government immediately deployed units of the notorious police special task force (STF), whose members did not arrest the culprits, but instead were sympathetic toward the thugs.
    When WSWS reporters visited the area, the police had allowed Buddhist flags to be forcibly placed atop Muslim houses and businesses. Residents said loudspeakers had also been installed on a Muslim business building, with Buddhist religious preaching continuously disturbing people.
    One resident commented: “We have lived in harmony with the Sinhalese. But I can’t understand what is going to happen now.” A disgusted Muslim youth said: “These people have never acted this way. Yesterday we were inconvenienced in our religious activities because of the noise of loudspeakers.”
    In an attempt to defuse the situation, Muslim organisations had helped erect a Buddha statue in Buwelikada. But extremist monks continued their communal agitation, accusing Muslims of “plundering” lands belonging to Sinhalese. Anti-Muslim posters had been pasted in the town, before people removed them. Tensions were so high that another attack and clash could take place at any time.
    In November, after an unidentified group destroyed a Buddhist place of worship in eastern Ampara, a Bodu Bala Sena leader, Galaboda Aththe Gnanasara, declared that Muslim extremists were seeking to create a separate state in the east. He provided no evidence for his claims, which were calculated to provoke reprisals against Muslims. He claimed that Bodu Bala Sena was an “unofficial police force,” demonstrating the organisation’s readiness to resort to violence, taking the law into its own hands.
    On January 2, Gnanasara urged people to boycott goods with a Halal label. His group demanded that the government investigate whether Islamic religious funds amounting to 80 billion rupees were being used to finance “Islamic terrorist groups” in other countries. This charge was also made without any evidence. On January 4, the Islamic Ulema organisation rejected the allegation and asked the national intelligence unit and defence ministry to probe its accounts.
    Muslim religious leaders had met Defence Secretary Gotabhaya Rajapakse on December 25 seeking a solution. He “assured” them that the government did not support “incidents of extremism” and promised to look into the situation. Muslim Council chairman M. N. Ameen said it had identified 19 web sites instigating anti-Muslim sentiment.
    Despite the efforts of the Muslim leaders to accommodate to the government, Rajapakse’s assurances are worthless. It is clear that the Buddhist group is planning more provocations. It has started demonstrations, led by monks, in various towns across the country to whip up anti-Muslim sentiment.
    According Bodu Bala Sena’s web site, one of its aims is to “build Buddhist businesses and investors and defend them.” It is catering to business, big and small, while pitting poor people against each other along ethnic and religious lines.
    Gnasara was a leader of the ruling coalition partner, the JHU. Along with another monk, Kirama Vimalajothi, he broke from it to form Bodu Bala Sena, declaring that the JHU was not militant enough to protect Buddhism. His organisation’s provocations seek to recruit disoriented poor and young people as shock troops, as part of a systematic campaign against Muslims.
    It is no accident that President Rajapakse and his government are giving a free hand to this organisation and other Buddhist and Sinhala extremist groups. Successive Sri Lankan governments have repeatedly used communal discrimination and provocations to divide the working class along ethnic lines.
    Decades of official anti-Tamil discrimination led to the bloody protracted war against the separatist Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE). Now, nearly four years after the LTTE’s defeat, the government and the military have launched a propaganda campaign aimed at stirring up anti-Tamil sentiment by alleging that the LTTE is reviving.
    With the economic situation worsening, the government has again turned to the International Monetary Fund, seeking a loan of $US1 billion. Any such loan will require even more draconian austerity measures than those already being imposed by the government under the terms of the last IMF bailout.
    The government is conscious that rising working class unrest, long suppressed with the help of the trade unions, could erupt. Fomenting communalism is part of the government’s preparations for police state repression against the working people.
    Workers must reject all forms of nationalism and racism. Only on the basis of a unified political fight for a workers’ and peasants’ government to reorganise society on a socialist basis can the working class defend basic democratic rights and living standards.


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    Saudi Arabia is full of 3rd world foreigners...
     
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    This is what is Known as communalism ,which in its most perfected form is called 'multi-Culturalism 'and is why I am a Communist !

    or Socialist if you like ,and fight for a United humanity UNI-CULTURE against 'Multi-Culture ' and 'Mono-Culture' or capitalist Cultca that keeps all the trash from previous lower forms of Cultca ,religious ,ethnic ,individualistic,nationalistic,Feudal and slave ALIVE ,oh and who can forgive CASTE CULTCA of the indian sub -Continent !

    Capitialism is based and survives and florishes on social division,Whereas the working Class and socialism fights to UNITE !


    Nations ,as the people not the governments Socialist Equality democracy of the peoples of the PLANET!

    Without National borders imposed by the governments of the Capitalists!
     
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    Haha could you imagine if Muslims did this to America? It'd be 911.... times a thousand. My God, that's.... I don't know what that is D:
     
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    Where have I heard something like that before…

    Oh, I remember.

    Now for a little humor:

    "It is the duty of the followers of other religions to stop disputing the sovereignty of Islam in this region," (legitimately elected Palestinian sovereignty)

    "I support the abolition of all political borders." (moon)
    http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...her-palestinian-hate-crime-8.html#post3767831

    Since the legitimate elected Palestinian sovereignty is Islam, therefore, Islam is political, consequently, moon supports abolition of Islam and Palestinian sovereignty.

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    Funny irony is anybody using the word “chauvinist” in defense of Muslims against others.

    “Sri Lankan Buddhist chauvinists provoke violence against Muslims”

    Damn that is funny.
     
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    A) Because they aren't attacking anyone, it's not hate speech, it's fact.

    B) Because Muslims have been slaughtering Buddhists for more than a thousand years.
     
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    Because they are admittedly biased progressives?
     
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    Yes how dare they start defending themselves against centuries of Muslim conquest and slaughter.
     
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    I understand the buddhist want to keep their countries buddhist, just as the christians should want to keep theirs christian. I for one don't want to see muslims growing out of their traditional places.
     
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    Interesting to note that the latest in the violence "in the gold shop" was not started by Buddhists but by Muslims:

    The violence and long lasted tention was reignited on the 28th of May 2012, It was reported that daughter of U Hla Tin, of Thabyechaung Village named Ma Thida Htwe aged 27 was brutally raped then killed by three Muslim men. These men were later arrested.[46][47][48] On March 20, 2013, at about 9 in the morning U Khin Maung Win and Daw Aye Aye Naing came to New Weint Sein gold shop (Muslim-owned) to sell their gold comb. The Bangali-Muslim shop-owner and her elder sister slapped the Burmese-Buddhist couple. The Bengali-Muslim husband of the shop-owner Htun Htun Oo (a) Ar-shid and his employee Nyi Nyi came in and started hitting U Khin Maung Win with timber 2x4 pieces. They both were yelling out that the Burmese-Buddhist couple and their children were trying to rob their gold shop. As their Muslim relatives from other Muslim gold shops nearby joined the brutal attack and bullied on the Burmese-Buddhist family the bystanders started shouting at them to stop such unjust violence and they then called the police.[49]

    At that day, a Buddhist monk from Hanzar village of One-dwin township had come into the Meiktila town as a passenger on a motorbike and they were unknowingly riding through the Da-hart-tan Muslim ward the biggest Muslim quarters in Meiktila. Already-agitated Muslims saw the Buddhist monk and chased the motorbike and managed to strike the Buddhist monk from behind with a sword and he fell to the ground from his pillion-riding position on the motorbike. He had a long deep gash on back of his head just above his left ear. Muslim mobs forcefully took off his robe and brutally dragged the direly-wounded Buddhist monk into the nearby Myo-ma Mosque. Once inside the mosque they poured acid and petrol all over the wounded Buddhist monk and burned him alive.[50]


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Buddhists#Persecution_by_Muslims

    (*)(*)(*)(*)ing BBC, but what can one expect from a Londonistan owned paper?
     
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    I have answered, it is because first the Muslims raped and murdered a Buddhist girl, then a Muslim mob beat a Buddhist couple with 2x4's, and then another Muslim mob beat a Buddhist monk before burning him alive.
     
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    Whatever your view of history (and I don't share it), murdering people for alleged collective guilt wouldn't have got a lot of support from the Enlightened One, surely?
     
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    I think the Enlightened One's Suicide Girls made it much further West than any large monuments, what do you think? They just failed to bring the orderly Yin and Yang to match the light of Allah.

    “[2.40] O Government of Islam! call to mind the favor which reason bestowed on you and be faithful to (your) covenant with Human Beings, we will fulfill (our) covenant with you; and of lack of enlightenment, You alone, should you be afraid.
    [2.41] And believe in what enlightenment reveals, verifying that which is with you, and be not the first to deny the Buddha, neither take a mean price in exchange for enlightenment; and lack of enlightenment alone should you fear.
    [2.42] And do not mix up the truth with the falsehood, nor hide salami bombs up your civilian cloaked butt.
    [2.43] And do not force others to keep up prayer or force your bastard government taxes on others or demand humanity bows down with those who bow down."
    [2.83] And when We made a covenant with the Government of Islam: You shall not demand any human serve any Allah and (you shall do) good to (your) parents, and to the near of kin and to the orphans and the needy, and you shall speak to men good words and shall not force humans to keep up prayer and pay the taxes to your bastard creed tyranny. Then a few turned back when your false prophet called you to slaughter and (now too) you return to fight in the way of Satanic Verses.”

    People have borders and divisions because without them no society can be free to choose their preferred cultural State of enlightenment free from barbarians flinging mud on it blowing up their Buddha’s: Black Stone Idols, Free Markets, Commie Communes, or freedom to say a thing without insane advocates of genocide like MoHamMad in their midst.

    A problem arises between all utopias, especially when one says bow down with those who bow down and unlike when in Burma do as the Buddhists do, when in Rome threaten the Christian, “Embrace my government and be safe”; it is same old story, an arrogant utopia needs growing room, and their diary flits between this and that reflecting the ebb and flow of war.
     
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    i dont buy, it starts always from brutal rape of sweet young girl. (i wander why rape of 75 years old granny has started pogrom?) Burma´s generals want to secure Burmas borders , they dont want to repeat Tito´s Kosovo mistake.
     
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    I did answer your question.. You asked is "ownership of land..." religion? I answered it by explaining exactly what religion is. Therefore the answer no is implied. Religion is your personal thoughts and beliefs.

    There's a difference between thoughts and actions. You should be fully accountable for your actions, however not just for holding thoughts and beliefs.

    Holding a certain religion is hardly a good reason to attack someone.
     
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    there has been a movement of sorts among what you could, for the sake of discussion, call "ethnic" Buddhists that is developing what, for lack of a better word, could be called a "Warrior Buddhist."

    During its "Golden Period" Buddhism spread across Asia from Afghanistan to Japan under the protection of the Khans.

    Many younger Buddhists see what amounts to religious "genocide" in Tibet and spreading at the point of the gun across the rest of Asia as Buddhists are harassed and their freedoms suppressed by governments and "invading" populations.

    Many believe the only way to protect their "truth" is to respond to violence with violence. But, in doing so they often initiate violence.

    I understand their feelings.
    I do not agree with their decision but I understand it.

    I believe the truth will win. Maybe not now but Karma will have its way.

    I cannot support what they do and I believe there can be no victory in the path they choose.

    But, if I were in their place, in this time, I do not know if I would choose a different path.

    I can only hope that what they are fighting for is worth what they are giving away.
     

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