‘What stands between us and what happened in London? Guns, guns, guns’

Nothing will protect you in a riot? Just so happens that history is not on your side.

 

How many tyrranical governments do you see in Europe right now? My quality of life hasn't changed since our ban on handgun ownership, and I daresay neither has that of every other country which has a ban in place. Only in America, it appears, are the right-wing convinced that they are right, and that everyone else is wrong on this issue.
The whole argument that guns are somehow representative of, and a touchstone for, "freedom" strikes most people I know as, frankly, absurd and totally without any realistic foundation.

 

How many tyrannical countries were there before fascism took hold in Europe? There is no guarantee something similar will not happen again, even here in the US. The only constant is change and just because you are happy today, does not mean you will not feel the heavy boot of oppression in the future. The Framers of the Constitution understood this and why they left this country open to changing it's government if needed, even by force if necessary.

It may not take the same shape but both Europe and the US are marching happily toward tyranny with a happy face.

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
― Benjamin Franklin

“I predict future happiness for Americans, if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.”
― Thomas Jefferson

“When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty.”
― Thomas Jefferson

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
― C.S. Lewis

 

It was a very different world, and America was a very different country, all those centuries ago. Besides which a nation of overweight couch-potatoes even considering confronting the technological and military might of their government is ludicrous.

 

Of course that is hubris speaking.

I find it sad that people do not understand that human nature has not changed in 200 years. I find it sad that people do not understand the weaknesses of technology or alleged military might. Cower in fear as you do but you will be the one putting the yoke on your own shoulders.

 

Be sure to remember this when the M1A1 is cruising up your street with your pathetic little bullets bouncing off it, while the Blackhawk hovers over your home, and your phone and computers no longer function because the government switched them off, along with your power supply. We'll see whose technology and military might is superior then, shall we?

 

We shall.

 

What will be hysterical is watching the looters get slaughtered by well-armed patriots after the looters have been encouraged to continue their animal behavior by slaughtering the defenseless citizens you want us to disarm.

 

The more you "Squeeze" Guns, the more those bent of Violence will simply turn to other means, and quite possibly make matters considerably worse!

Imagine 80% of the homicides being committed right now with guns, instead being committed with Bombs, Poison, and/or Germs...

Be very, very wary of the Law of unintended consequences.


You're mistake is that your attacking the tools used to pursue violence, rather than addressing the root cause of the Motivation/Intent/Desire/Decision to do violence.

A very small amount of appeasement concessions generates a very large amount of future violent extortion.

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Where was this smug tone with regard to Syrian military decimating Syrian civilians? Are all liberals really evil and nasty masochists putting on a disguise to hide their true intentions?

 

The problem with your argument is that you make a case for not having any laws at all and ignore the reasons the ones in place are not currently enforced: Lack of uniformity, manpower and meaningful punishment.

Assault Weapon is simply a name used to describe weapons that have the singular purpose of assaulting (vs. defending) multiple human targets i.e. military grade weapons like the AR-15. Unfortunately, ConservaRepubs have been conditioned to believe that there is no difference between say, my Glock .17 being in the home for protection and some whackjob insisting they have the right to carry a 100 rd military grade weapon around an inner city for no particular reason.

 

Have you seen the crime rate in inner cities? You need MUCH MORE than the theoretical 100 round military grade weapon that you proposed (i.e. I have heard of 30 round magazines as a maximum). When you reach 1 million rounds in 1 minute, I might consider visiting an "inner city" again.

 

Great. Your solution to the gun violence problem in inner cities is to carry a freekin AR-15. That makes sense to you right? Yeah nm. I'm sure it does. Like I said, inability to see the difference...

 

I've stated my opinion a myriad of times. I think that races should be segregated to avoid further violence when the dollar collapses. I've also stated my support of the second amendment, however, I don't see how A=B (i.e. collapse = violence) if my conditions are met.

 

Typical logical fallacy. Because I am not for useless new laws, I must not be for any laws. That is a trash argument forwarded by someone that is not interested in the truth. As far as enforcement of existing laws, how about that first?

There is no such thing as an assault weapon. There is no definition of an assault weapon. Congress invented a definition for a standard semi-auto rifle that expired which required hundreds of exceptions because they are essentially no different than any other semi-auto rifle. You cannot get around that little fact. You may think there is one, but you will not be able to find a definition.

You also present more fallacies. The military does not use AR-15's and no one carries around a 100 rd semi-auto rifle around town. If you could move away from this kind of erroneous emotion ridden rants you may be able to learn something.

 

"...no such thing as an assault weapon". I think Heckler & Koch might disagree:
http://www.heckler-koch.com/en/military/products/assault-rifles.html

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"...no such thing as an assault weapon". I think Heckler & Koch might disagree:
http://www.heckler-koch.com/en/military/products/assault-rifles.html
Last time I checked a rifle was a weapon.

 

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A very small amount of appeasement concessions generates a very large amount of future violent extortion.


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Consider the problems the Israeli's have had with Katyusha Rocket Attacks coming in from the Golan Heights.

At one point in time, a few desperate for attention PLO members were using suicide bombing vests to blow up buses in Israel.

So some soft-hearted and lame-headed politician brokered a "Land for Peace" deal.

At that point, they taught the PLO radicals that violence results in gains, profit, and LAND!

The Israeli's did NOT get peace, they got a huge escalation in violence, with Katyusha rockets coming in from the Golan Heights on a daily basis, until they gave up MORE "Land for Peace".

After they second deal, they got a few months respite, and then the rocket, bomb and other attacks quadrupled.

When it became evident at the negotiating table, that the people attacking them would NEVER honor any of their agreements, the Israeli politician which started the whole appeasement approach, lost enough political favor that other more SANE politicians and a new approach other than appeasement took over, and the violence finally began to decrease.






What will stop radical Islamo-Fascist violence in America, the U.K. or Europe, is not Guns or the lack of Guns in the hands of Civilians.

What will stop radical Islamo-Fascist violence will be a very clear message to them that violence will not get them appeasement concessions, but hardline restrictions, limits, boycotts and BANS of Islam!


All of this bluster about Guns is pointless.

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Doesn't an assault have to be capable of "fully automatic?"

 

Not according to the Assault Weapons Ban legislation, which was a cluster F* beyond any reason.

The Legislation was written to allow open interpretation of the law to basically ban all guns in time. What the leftie gun grabber control freaks didn't expect was the level of reaction the bill would generate.

Nothing worked as well to SELL guns, as the Assault Weapons Ban.

Again, Guns, or No-Guns, isn't the answer to Islamo-Fascist Violence.

What will stop radical Islamo-Fascist violence will be a very clear message to them that violence will not get them appeasement concessions, but hardline restrictions, limits, boycotts and BANS of Islam!



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This guy was dead very quickly, and police did reach the scene fairly quickly.. until teleporters are available I think it was a reasonable time.

Guns would possibly make a difference, so long as there was someone was available to take the nerve to shoot it. Remember, you are always putting your own life at risk if you are willing to draw the weapon instead of seeking cover. And of course they could also have guns (one had a handgun, although we are not sure if it was "real"/live) which do not match the legal status. Your 6 may be no match for an auto, if they had one.

It;s a fine balance, but I think speculation doesn't work. We can speculate about any situation, but it can't be proven.
In any case, I think that in this scenario the guy would likely still be dead. It's lucky that they didn't attempt any further killings... but if I have a gun in the UK, then I would expect the bad guys to have one too. It's a damn shame I can't bring my babies with me when I'm working over here.

 

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Guns, Guns, Guns is NOT the heart of the problem, appeasement concessions is the heart of the problem.

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LOL. Those are Assault Rifles which are well defined, used by the military, and are class III weapons. No one is talking about Assault Rifles but the politically made up "Assault Weapon" which has no definition.

Try again.

 

You're right up to a point. It isn't what you've got, it how good you are using what you've got. 158 grains of .357 well placed seems to fill the bill. I practice at least one a week and consider myself a decent shot. I have never drawn my weapon unless I was prepared to use it.

 

A prosperous well ordered society has no worries about discontented citizens rioting and looting. Rioting and looting are sure indications that a society has disenfranchised and excluded significant portions of its population from participating in its governance and economy. Are you expecting that significant portions of the population will be disenfranchised and excluded any time soon?
If so, how?

 

Hmmm. The ignorance here is laughable. Well okay let's be benevolent. The brain-washing.
You claim no new laws will be of any use. No new laws where? Everywhere? There is not one state anywhere, where the laws could be improved? How ignorant would one have to be of the variance in American gun laws to believe this? Ah. Brain washed.
There is no such thing as an "assault weapon"? Because... you've been told so. Thus a .50 CAL is not an assault weapon? A Drone? There is no such thing! Because the whackjob websites told me so! Got it.
Fine. So that it doesn't drive you into a mantra frenzy of parroting what the Thought Masters have fed you, let's go with "military grade". These would be weapons made specifically for killing humans in warfare during an.... assault.
And before your ignorance slides even further out of your keyboard, you might look into specifically who the AR-15 was designed for. Would that be ... the military!?!?! Why yes it would! And WHAT kind of rifle was it designed to be? An ASSAULT Rifle? Oh darn.

"The AR-15 was first built by ArmaLite as an assault rifle for the United States armed forces"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15

you may now continue parroting...