Travon Martin Pix # 3 / Trial Predictions

No. . . . I expect the trial to resolve that issue. . .

And, I personally wouldn't charge the loser with "murder," but with aggravated manslaughter (because he took the life of a TEENAGER) with UNNECESSARY use of a DEADLY WEAPON.

What is evidence of the UNNECESSARY USE OF A DEADLY WEAPON is precisely the fact that the lack of defensive wounds on Trayvon's body (no scratches, no bruises, no cuts. . .JUST ONE BULLET HOLE STRAIGHT TO THE HEART) demonstrates that Zimmerman didn't even TRY to defend himself with appropriate means (like his fists or nails or a kick in the groin). . .but by passed all those instinctive self-defense techniques (especially if one is being smothered. . .the survival instinct would kick in and one would automatically reach out for whatever is obstructing his breathing and pull and scratch and bite at those hands on his mouth, leaving his DNA all over these hands), to use DEADLY FORCE as a first and only means of defense.

But we will see how the prosecution approaches this issue. . .and how the defense explains that apparent lack of attempt to defend himself with less deadly, and more appropriate answer to a "hit on the nose!"

 

I don't think the law would require you to punch first when in fear of life . Nothing in the law has qualifying statements like that . And if you are ok with people being charged with out evidence then ( to let a trial determine that ...) then we are very far off from each other . As a college educated person i understand the cost that would grow if we just charged people with out evidence and got a jury , judge , lawyers , etc to determine whether evidence exist in the first place . Apparently , this is ok to you ... So you must support charging brown people in Arizona for being an illegal right ? Let the trial decide If any evidence exist , right ? Or is this another double standard of yours ?

 

There is a law (in Florida ALSO) that applies to "UNNECESSARY USE OF DEADLY FORCE."

And. . .IF there were NO evidences. . .the case would ALREADY have been thrown out of court. . .and/or O'Mara would have taken the easy way out and pleaded Immunity over a month ago. . . You know that, and anyone with a brain knows that.

But. . .I agree, let's the trial decide whether the evidence that DOES exist is sufficient to condemn Zimmerman or not.

In the mean time, you seem to have had no problem jumping on the Zimbots band wagon to attempt to demonize the VICTIM by spreading LIES and half truths!

I do not have double standards. . .do you?

 

Wow ok . So ill take note on that . Lets hope it's never your son or yourself . Kind of scary you support charges with out evidence and waste of tax paying dollars . Is that the way court is operated where you are from ( Belgium I believe ) ? And no , no double standards . I don't think people should be charged with a crime because of how they look .

 

As long as George has taught other would-be young Black men not to commit felony assault because the person being assaulted may have a gun then good on George. You see my dear, when you look at it like that the 'Black' community ought to put up a monument to George for helping to save already dozens of lives don't you think?
I'm wondering how many young Black men AKA predators on the late night subway have seen some drunk schmuck get on wearing a gold necklace and thought: "Wait a minute. Maybe this guy isn't as drunk as we think and maybe when one of us grabs for his gold chain he pulls his gun and kills us all? See? It's all good.
Maybe T should have been raised to 'axe' himself that question about George.

 

I believe you may want to go back and read the FULL comment I made. . .

Obviously, if there were NO evidences, the case would ALREADY have been thrown out by the court. . .so AT LEAST some evidence exist that need to be looked at and argued in court and in front of a jury.

And, if at least SOME evidence didn't exist, O'Mara could have put an end to the whole story, and prevent his client being subjected to the uncertain outcome of a trial by jury, and possible civil suits, (as well as saving the tax payer's money you are so concerned about) by going ahead with the immunity hearing that he called off!

NONE of that happened. . .which leads me to believe that AT LEAST SOME evidence exist that makes it NECESSARY to go to trial.

By the way, I would suggest that you do not use the distasteful habit of your friend, Puffin, to attack my country of origin in order to try to insult me.

As we both know, I probably have lived in the US LONGER than you have. . . so this kind of approach is not only distasteful and against the forum's rules. . .it is also very silly and unworthy of anyone who would like to maintain the respect and credibility they believe they deserve!

 

Do one of you guys know... at trial, will there be lesser included charges?

Specifically, voluntary manslaughter and involuntary manslaughter?



Forgive my ignorance, I'm just trying to come to an opinion as to probable final outcome. I had initially leaned toward hung jury/mistrial... but I'm not so sure of that, if the lesser charges are available to the jury.


Thanks

 

Zimm describes trying to get away from Martin in not one way, but two different ways.

Him trying to get away from Martin with movement and some struggling/pushing.

As well as attempting to get up while Trayvon slammed his head.

Even a third way if you count the "shimmying".

I guess these are not valid forms of defense for Sadanie.

Heck, you could even throw in that horrible "wrist control".

The truth of the matter is we will never know precisely what happened during the "fight" ( i prefer attack though).

But i believe Zimm is telling the truth.

And also make no mistake about it, the Trayvon supporters HATE that Trayvon has no other wounds than the gunshot.

They would LOVE to be able to point to a bunch of bloody bruises on Trayvon and tell us that Zimm was mercilessly beating Trayvon before he shot him.

But they can't.

 

NO. . .I love it that Zimmerman didn't even attempt the "automatic" defense system of scratching Martin's hand when he "reportedly" tried to "smother" Zimmerman's nose and mouth!. . . That is very telling. . . because, either Zimmerman felt he didn't NEED to defend himself. . .or he was so focused on getting to his gun and killing the kid with the gun he "forgot" he had hidden to the back of his hip under his clothes, that he overcame the natural urge of pulling away the hands that "reportedly" smothered him until he "couldn't breathe!". . .all that while "screaming for help," . . . . Obviously!

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And if I buy that. . .will you sell me a bridge?

Or should I bring up the horrors committed by YOUR country of birth. . . . while blaming YOU for it, obviously!

 

Your welcome.

Actually I didn't.

Your right, because he would have been charged for murder the night the shooting happened. He would have went to court and been found guilty and probably rec'd life in prison, so there would have been nothing to be politically charged about.

 

ok. I predict a long and lengthy trial with a not guilty verdict . 70% confidence level .

 

Okay. . .that's clear.

I guess we'll have to wait and see. I will say that, I don't believe Zimmerman will be found "not guilty," but what could happen is a mistrial due to a hung jury.

The fact is that, no matter how one wants to look at it, he is responsible for the death of the unarmed teenager. . .

So, a "not guilty" verdict would be an oxymoron, since he admitted killing the kid. He may be "not guilty" of MURDER, but he sure as hell is guilty of the death of a teenager! This is why I would be perfectly satisfied with a "Manslaughter" verdict, and the follow up civil suit verdict.

 

I’m going with M2 because I believe that it was Trayvon producing those screams that were caught on tape and that is enough time for Zimmy to have consider his choice to shot or not. My confident level is over 90% knowing what the DA will do to Zimmies credibility using his words against him

 

Appropriate means would have been a firearm even if Trayvon had no obvious weapon on him. you shouldn't have to wait until the thug unconceals the weapon he intends to use to defend yourself properly.

 

I am still trying to figure out how this 17yr old has gotten to be known as a "THUG".

 

Except that, in this case, it was Zimmerman who acted like a "thug!"

And I totally disagree. . .there is NEVER a good reason to use deadly force, with the exception of the threat of IMMEDIATE DEATH OR DEADLY INJURY, which, obviously, was not the case!

 

Proof please! He acted like a security guard, which he kind of was defacto. Speaking to someone does not justify the person being spoken to attacking the speaker physically!

Disagree all you want, but you are wrong and if you were a potential victim in one of these incidents you would likely be DEAD wrong! All that should be required is that the victim felt as though his life was in danger or he faced serious threat of bodily harm.

 

LOLOL George wasn't a security guard.. Security guards are trained and bonded and they get paid.

 

So now you want to prescribe a specific means by which someone can defend himself against a violent attack, and ONLY this means can be employed to save your life? No wonder with people like you out there voting we have the largest band of morons ever assembled running our Govt!

 

IN NO WAY did he act like a trained security guard. In fact, by carrying a gun while following the "suspicious" person was AGAINST the rules set up by the HOA, rules that HE HAD AGREED on.

A security guard would have approached the teenager while still in his car (or truck) and asked him if he could help him find an address. . .that would have been the typical fashion a TRAINED security guard would have approached a person he didn't recognize as belonging to the community, but who wasn't engaged in anything illegal.

If Zimmerman had acted like a security guard, he would have introduced himself to Martin FIRST, asked him if he needed help, or asked him if he was looking for a specific address, and this would have eliminated any doubt or fear the teenager probably experienced by being followed first in a car, then by foot, in the dark. It would also have provided an opportunity for Martin to explain to the security guard that he was a guest in his father and his father's girl friend's home, and Zimmerman could then have obtained that specific address.

Zimmerman did a disservice to the whole community by acting like a foolish wannabe vigilante. And because of this, a teenager is dead.

 

Because you believe that, if someone walks on your foot, pushes you, or throws a elbow in your ribs or your face, you should IMMEDIATELY grab your conceal weapon and shoot?

And you are wondering why we need a better system to do background check for gun licenses?

With the kind of attitude your comment reflects, it seems that IRRESPONSIBLE gun owners are flourishing. . .and are intent to take this country back to the "wild, wild West" era!

Sick!

 

We were speaking hypothetically. Your racism is clouding your reading comprehension!

But just to be clear, are you suggesting that a 17 year old cannot be a thug?

 

Your irrational hyperbole is not surprising. Any discussion that stays within the bounds or reality and reason will most certainly not go your way.
If someone choses to attack someone physically, they assume the risk of being met with deadly force. The shooter did not create the circumstances that led to the attacker being shot.

This is yet another example of leftist idiocy! Somehow the victim of an attack is more wrong by defending himself than the attacker was for creating the circumstances wherein he had to!

 

George certainly behaved like a thug...........

BTW.. the EMT's spent 5 minutes on George's injuries.

http://www.ktuu.com/videogallery/70...-EMT-testifies-to-George-Zimmerman's-injuries

 

I predict Zimmerman should be found guilty of second degree murder. Actually it should be first degree, but he is white and the kid he killed was black, so they will find him guilty of second murder.

But stranger things do happen in Florida where mothers kill their baby and get away with it.