White Man Visits A Black Republic

Why were the Africans in Haiti in the first place?

 

... but, but ... look at America. Only a few years ago it was on the brink of becoming another Haiti due to the white man's ignorance and stupidity. But Alas! A black man came to the rescue and turned it into an economic powerhouse.

 

At the time of the French Revolution, the French National Assembly decreed that the mulattoes of the colonies would have the rights of citizens including the right to vote but the French colonial administrators in Haiti were divided over the decree and some white planters were sympathetic towards an independence movement because France imposed steep tariffs on the items imported into the colony. With the aid of the British, the rebels scored a major victory against the French force in 1803 and Haiti became the second independent nation in the Americas. President Jefferson was alarmed at the prospect of a major European power controlling New Orleans and his administration did little to suppress the revolt and in 1803, Napoleon agreed to sell New Orleans and the Louisiana territories to Jefferson.

 

Irrelevant. They chose to go mutiny in the Haiti and become their own boss. They were left the infrastructure of an agricultural gold mine and they did what with it?

 

Care to show the numerous "liberal" race threads here? Compared to the "conservative" race threads?

 

They fed themselves instead of their erstwhile masters. That meant that they were a little better off than they were as slaves.

Who gives a rat's how much the elite have if the poor have nothing but suffering?

 

They've had 200 years to pull their heads out of their asses, and no progress.

Who gives a rat's ass for the suffering of people unwilling or incapable of taking care of themselves?

 

You have to deduct the years you boycotted them
You have to deduct the 20 or so years they spent under your occupation
You have to deduct the years they spent under corrupt governments you set up for them
You have to deduct the years you are exploiting them

 

Who gives a rat's what you expect of them?

If foreign investors would care to locate there and offer a living wage, I am sure they would be welcome.

But do not expect them to let another country come and extract many times what they put back. That was why they had to kill the French off in the first place.

 

Your post seems to not truly embrace the actual history.

Haiti was forced to repay it's former colonists the losses the colonists sustained when Haiti became an independent nation, a debt so huge that the island nation was still paying it nearly 150 years after the debt was incurred.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/aug/16/haiti-france

I am amazed at the lack of history that we learn in this country, or our willingness to not read on a topic before speaking.

Or perhaps simply reading websites that cater to a particular philosophy when it comes to race. Haiti was (*)(*)(*)(*) on for a century and a half by France, and kept poor.

I would suggest brushing up on your history prior to being shown to be incorrect again.

 

You're putting words in my mouth. I won't speak for specific threads on this forum, although they do exist. Some liberals appear to believe, based on what one could read on here or hear through conversation, that certain groups need to be artificially elevated in order to make it in society. Essentially, their race prevents them from being successful. That is a bigoted belief. They also use the "race card" to dream up false arguments. That behavior is also bigoted.

You seem to want to draw a line that conservatives are inherently racist and liberals are not. That thought is naive and prejudicial.

 

No, I'm putting 2 and 2 together. A person from the outside visiting this forum would see all the threads about minority crime, and see the comments made about non-white people made by the "conservatives" here. Those same "conservatives" then go into other threads and try to have a debate like it is about the substance and not their seething hate for skin melanin. The race card is their defense mechanism to say whatever they want, then claim ignorance when called out on it. I don't need to present you with the specific threads, for all you have to do is look at the ones with the usual race-baiters to see it.

I guess what I'm saying is, show me the "liberal" race threads.

 

Yes, you did. I never said anything about numerous threads from either ideology concerning this issue.

I was posting to Surfer that I think he had reason and shouldn't let himself fall into pit trap threads like this one. I offer you the same advice.

You are trying to create a racially based issue with me for no apparent reason. I don't speak for conservatives because I am an individual who believes things.

Most of my fiscal and political beliefs are completely at odds with the liberal agenda, and I think both groups are moronic for being concerned about social issues at all.

You're trying to lump me into some nice tight package that you've created in your mind in order to validate you're preconceived notions. In other words, you have prejudice.

 

I was speaking about the first statement you wrote. One of the reasons conservatives get a bad rap is for the simple reason they do not call out their members who say racist/bigoted things. Some here have started to, and I applaud them, for there is no need for it in a decent society. I don't care to spend my time responding to every racist thread or post here, but sometimes I have to say enough is enough.

Make no mistake about it, I am not trying to lump you into a group, nor am I trying to make a race issue with you about this. I base my responses with post history and not just because you are conservative or liberal.

 

It only you were 'serious, instead of 'clowning'. (And that goes for your racist, clown-faced pal as well.)

 

And you've also described almost exactly where the GOP misses what they NEED to do.

(Otherwise, they can continue to whine about 90+% of Blacks voting for Democrats.)

 

Evil will destroy itself. Hatred will consume itself.

There is no doubt that whites are better at some things than others. We have a drive to build and prosper which is unique. We have a way or working together which is also unique to all but the Asians. We are dreamers. We should be proud of our history and continue to do what we do well.

The problem is if you let your heart be tainted with hatred you will destroy yourself and everything around you. Pride ALWAYS come before the fall. I am well aware of the racial aspects of people. There was a time when I was consumed by this. I hungered for knowledge and feared the outcome of our people. We have less children. We by in large prefer peace to war. We are less aggressive and the more other "warlike" races outbreed us the less of a chance we have to survive. This is all true. However..... You must choose. This knowledge is not evil. It is impartial. But YOU can become evil by allowing it to corrupt your spirit. It says in the bible the devil came to steal, kill and destroy. You must choose your path in this world. Do you want to be what you love so much about our people? Do you want to build and prosper and be generous to others? OR do you want to be the worst of our people? Do you want to enslave and destroy...... You must choose.

Have faith that good will overcome. That despite whatever minor aspects to the outcome of events the overall is judged by a higher power. Whites are a proud and strong people and we can adapt to nearly any situation. I am not worried for our survival. I do however reject evil. I will not look down on others for their differences. Instead I will treat them with love and kindness because that is how Christ has changed my heart. You may choose self destruction based on impartial data which is always in the eye of the beholder. Or you can dictate the kind of person you will be in this world based on what you WANT. If you want evil and destruction then so be it. You shall have it. But as for me and my house.... I will obey the lord. I will love god with all my heart and love my brothers as myself regardless of the consequences and do you know why? Because I can.

God Bless you my friend and I hope you limit this growing distain for others to internet forums. I hope you do not miss the chance to meet truly great people in your life because of this.

 

I'm a FAR LEFTIST, and politicallly incorrect, i like to say what I believe, and I'd agree if you went back 10,000 years and erased Europe from history, "modern" mankind would be sleeping under rocks and eating dirt.

 

You've touched my heart today!!

I'm Black, but I am not 'isolated' emotionally, socially or even culturally from Whites. They are my friends, lovers, family, fellow soldiers and more. I'm not separated and don't want to be. And that is why I DESPISE it when people DO SEEK to separate others. I hate racism AND racists acts. I want those things GONE.

And yes, good WILL ultimately overcome. If nothing else, we HUMAN BEINGS have a propensity to gravitate toward practical liberty and freedom. In that, I think lies the key to most normal and reasonable people knowing that "racism" isn't right. That quality prevails, though some may struggle with prejudice, bigotry or other relational problems.

I could go on (you know), but you've said 'nicely' what needed to be said.

Thank you,

-Peace-

 

By that logic, Americans must be truly stupid to elect a black as their leader.

 

I believe in justice and the truth....wherever that leads. I believe in treating people fairly and humanely no matter their position or criminal status.

Yet you want to equate all of that with hatred....get real. Passivity is not the answer, covering up a problem is not the answer, making excuses for criminals is not the answer.

Do not attempt to cover up your confusion and disregard for the truth with the 'mantle' of religion...that will not wash in this house.

 

I Hate Them With Perfect Hatred....I count them my enemies. Ps. 139:22

http://ibiblestudies.com/auth/smyth/righteous_hatred.htm

 

To add an historical note to the discussion...had it not been for the success of Toussaint L'Overture in Haitian resistance to Napoleonic France the Louisiana Purchase would never have occurred. Do you see how interrelated historical events can be?

 

After Haiti gained independence there was an international embargo placed on the island.

 

How's that working in Cuba?