Question: Will Humanity Ever Get IT?

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  1. wyly

    wyly Well-Known Member

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    but that doesn't hold up because Cro-Magnons was also adapted to live through the ice ages as well in same regions...neanderthals lived thorough ice ages and previous interglacial ages...

    size wise they were larger than our ancestors with as big or bigger brains...physically they could've kicked the *hit out of us...
    http://www.livescience.com/28036-neanderthals-facts-about-our-extinct-human-relatives.html


    that's the very much disputed mystery...
     
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    Uhh...what exactly are you saying doesn't add up?

    AboveAlpha
     
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    well those are the facts...neanderthal lived through glaciation and inter-glaciation periods their physical morphology was not a hindrance in either period, our ancestors also adapted to live during periods of glaciation and interglacial periods, and both did it in the same way...our ancestor had no physical advantage over Neanderthal, they were bigger and stronger, their brains were also bigger and there is little evidence to suggest we were smarter, my neurologist buddy says they may well have thought differently due to brain structure differences but that's not guaranteed, they just may have had brain functions that were more developed than ours (smell, sight, memory, hearing etc)...

    neanderthal were isolated in eurasia from us because of climate change not because they were better adapted to live there than our ancestors, when the climate changed once again ending our isolation in africa our ancestors expanded into Eurasia experiencing the exact same conditions...

    the cause of their disappearance is still debated there is no one accepted theory...genocide?, interbreeding? disappearance of traditional game? a combination of all three?
     
  4. NYCmitch25

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    That is a weird post, nowhere to go with it. But I understand your point of view, it's just more spiritual than I prefer to debate..
     
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    or....Neanderthals built space ships and left for greener pastures.
     
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    ...and they turned into Klingons!
    neanderthal_with_spear.jpg
     
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    No, because people continue to listening to politicians via the system's media.

    There are alternative energy sources (geothermical, tidal, inexhaustable even for ten billion people), but because of ideology (domination, hierarchy) these are hold back, are fully sensored by the media, even Greenpeace (because of political strategic reasons, to cause resistance/fight in people to they can be organised via politics)

    we need to leave this planet. We should be trying to work together.

    We don't have to become extinct, but we wait to be brought in balance by rulers that 'run' their genetic program (their religious deep thoughts is why they really believe they are not from this world and thus act like 'gods')
    They don't know themselves, we don't know ourselves, and this is why this world is heading for disaster (because overpopulation and wrong energy sources are in advance of persons that want to try to dominate the entire planet, by chaos they gain power (order out of chaos strategy), and they don't care about their own destruction, this is called sacrifice, they just follow their 'program' in their genes which they can't see)
    It even seems that our intelligence and biologists and scientists can't understand what this world is about and what is going on (and are also in the same system, with politics, propaganda, psywar, media, so are influenced by ideology as well, so they will submit as all others do, because that is how people are lined up, they unconsiosly submit to dominators, this goes via emotion, fear and intimidation)

    There must be people who can see the big picture nearly (more near, because to see IT is not simple, loads of information and insight is needed) The fewer ones that can see IT must be a number smaller than ten. So only these persons can heal and change this world to a better one. Billions are influenced by the things they see and hear via television, television does the most damage to humanity (minds of people, and people that are copycatting info, images, and also the 'follow the leader' behaviour is a huge problem, but that's natural, people want security, to like to live in cities and are going to vote on 'their' leader) People can't see their fatal flaws (because come from nature, rulers/dominator/politicians misuse these emotions to gain power and control over people) People shouldn't stand up (as one mass, because that means mass organisation, end of freedom), but only have to know what is really going on (knowledge is freedom) (but the people have no huge media system at their disposal, they only have their mouths, cell phones, small bill boards and the internet (the system is fighting an a-symmetrical 'war' against the people/masses)
     
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    Again...what exactly are you saying doesn't add up?

    By the way...Neanderthals did have an advantage over Cro-Magnon in Ice Age Climates. Neanderthals were around thousands of years before Cro-Magnon even though they both for a time existed on Earth together.

    Neanderthals had shorter limbs and a rotund barrel midsection.

    I am an Expert in Winter and Arctic Survival. I have trained many men and women and I can tell you the reason for Neanderthals short arms and legs and their large midsections is because in extreme cold climates the body will protect it's internal organs by limiting blood flow to the extremities.

    A Cro-Magnon having arms and legs much longer than Neanderthals as well as having a less massive midsection would have a much harder time surviving for long periods in Arctic Temps. Neanderthals and Cro-Magnons came from a common ancestor but the Neanderthal off shoot evolved specifically for Arctic Climate survival.

    It is true that Neanderthal Brains are larger than Cro-Magnon and Cro-Magnons brain was slightly larger than Homo sapiens...but size does not determine level of intelligence. If you look at a computer or computer processor from 1975 and you compare it to one from 1995 and one from 2013...both the computers and the processors get smaller and smaller but as we know...in 2013...a tiny processor within a cell phone has millions of times greater processing and computational capabilities than the ones before it.

    This is the same with the evolution of our Brain. Homo sapiens have a smaller brain than either Neanderthal or Cro-Magnon but our mental abilities are far greater.

    One last note...as part of a persons Arctic Survival training they must go through...they must be submerged in Arctic Sea Water by jumping into a hole cut into the ice. There is two parts to this as it must be done twice...once with all cloths and scrounged gear upon a person as to teach how to survive accidentally falling in freezing water with gear and how to get out and get dry before a person goes into shock, hypothermia and then either has their heart stop or freeze to death...and other time in an effort to recover a KILL as a dead seal that is frozen to the bottom of a layer of sea ice a few meters from the opening of an ice hole...a person is taught how to retrieve this food source by several means. One being to get into the water and slice off seal meat. Another to get in and slice and tie off pieces allowing the seal to be stored underwater and not allow the scent to be detected by polar bears...and a few other techniques.

    The thing is a decision must be made whether it is worth chancing death to get a supply of food over freezing to death or going into shock or having you heart stop.

    This would be the only reason a person would ever jump into water in the arctic as 99.99999% of people doing so would be dead within a few minutes. However...if you happen to have located a few things from say a plane crash or human junk that seem to be anyplace on this globe...a person can make their own DRY/WET suit and be able to survive the time necessary to cut out some blubber or meat.

    Anyways...I can tell you from experience that when a persons hand get's wet or submerged in Arctic Temp. Sea Water...the PAIN IS UNBELIEVABLE! At first it feels like someone sticking a thousand needles into your hand then it turns into BONE DEEP AGONY that is hard to describe unless you have gone through it.

    At this point your body immediately withdraws all blood flow to this extremity and if it was your arms or legs...blood flow would stop to those areas and concentrate itself within the chest and abdomen. After some a short time a person goes into shock then with hypothermia comes a strange condition where your mind will actually make your body feel like it is ON FIRE.

    A person at this point will become hysterical and start taking off all their cloths as they think they are burning up. If they are not stopped they will be dead in minutes.

    Neanderthal bodies were designed by evolution to reduce such issues and I can tell you with 100% certainty...Cro-Magnons could not endure anywhere near what Neanderthals could in a Cold Climate.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    it fits the ocean level increases
     
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    Yes Sir, I find quality comprehension from your input. Thank you

    I liked the parts where man is walking on water too.

    Pardon the giggle but people like you often assist many more than you realize and I thought perhaps a giggle was in order.

    Let's hope few ever have to feel the pain of such cold water.
     
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    you're a cute one.

    I point at items to read and offer openly, on a subject of hobby (extinctions). I say maybe another alternative, you say... "no bones, no other option" (simply put).

    It's cute to watch preachers too. Have you watched them guys that slap people on the forehead and they fall to the ground wiggling? Was that stopped by the asteroid too?
     
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    Americans are not going to be proactive on anything unless our asses are on fire.

    Americans are not open minded to new information and cannot find consensus to do better in the future.

    Americans are so self-absorbed we don't have time to worry about others or the future.

    Americans are quite stupid when we consider the complex issues facing us and our continued inability to solve these problems...I've written here many times that I believe Americans are limited by the Peter Principle.

    Now...if we could erase politics and religion from our society we have a fighting chance for a better future...
     
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    and the last reversal recorded (basalts)? I don't see man 'recording' any such data, events. (in any symbolisms)

    most information does not share any reversals happening in an quick time. But the pole movements (recorded since Columbus), the Bermuda triangle anomaly (kind of like a sun black spot), is recorded. As well as many more from anomalies such as solar flares and the such. Try to run the simulations, some fit. What to note are the magnetic flux lines that are affected and the increase of the suns energy exchange. The exothermic reactions occurring in our atmosphere are phenomenal.

    I like the natural approach on phenomena. If a pole shift occurred during a modern era our species will, I believe, will be fine. To be honest, I find the pole reversal anomalies to allow more energy, then the global warming people are even considering.
    first off, on this subject I am unqualified to the level, nor can I afford the time. I am American and I love knowing that with freedom even Achilles could come up with the most unique forms of discourse but I also know that oppression is the most horrid of cause to many left or right.

    Yes, I should change comments of nuke wars. It's ugly, it's not what I would want but from what I gather, it appears inevitable.

    With the subs, the eastern combining and the global abuse from the west, I would assume that if 1 detonation occurs over a population, that it practically becomes a video game. I believe the east will combine against the west and so much will happen so fast. That its gets biblical in proportions.

    As far as knowledge, and our species?!?!?!?!?

    We'll be fine. Just less 'things' globally for a bit.

    I like replying to your posts
     
  15. wyly

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    as another poster has already mentioned we are Cro-magnon, Cro-magon is just the name of the site where earliest (at that time)anatomically modern homo sapiens were found...the name stuck but it's no longer used by archeologists...

    "there are many ways to skin a cat"... Andeans,Tibeteans and Ethipoians bodies all adapted to high altitude life, but each group did so differently...cold weather adaption is no different...and the point you miss is despite your insistence on superior Neanderthal ice age adaptation they went extinct during an ice age where as modern man living in the same regions during the same ice age with according to your hypothesis an inferior cold weather adaptation survived the ice age...and the Neanderthal also survived and thrived in the preceding interglacial, so these arctic specialists lived through a warm age then died off in a glacial age they supposedly were perfectly adapted for? ...that's quite a contradiction...they went extinct but it wasn't because it was too warm or too cold...
    that analogy has no relevance, computers became smaller because of robotics and do not work at all like the human brain...

    which all has what to do with the price of rice in china??? I've lived in the arctic, I know cold and it's effects very well...

    yet they went extinct during an Ice Age and modern man living along side them at the same time, in the same region did not....and the Inuit today live in exactly the same conditions as Neanderthals did and they do just fine...
     
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    only a wee bit more speculative than other hypothesis about their demise at this time...
     
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    I liked the parts where man is walking on water too.

    Well if one could walk on water I suppose a book might be written. Giggle? You lost me on that one.

    AboveAlpha...p.s...I am also a Master Diver and I have about 100 Wreck Dives to my credit as well as I have used Heliox...a combination of Helium and Oxygen gases to dive down to depths well over 250 feet. As well I am also familiar with using Rebreathers...a light weight CO2 scrubber that allows a person to rebreath their own exhaled air and I have worn insulated Dry Suits for Arctic Diving.

    I remember during my training the first time we were required to dive in the Northern Atlantic down to 132 feet...that's 5 Atmospheres of pressure...in the month of October without using a Wet Suit or a hood or gloves.

    The pain was unbelievable. It literally took my breath away as I found it extremely difficult to even breath due to the pain. We only had to recover a weighted object chained to the sea floor and as soon as this was recovered we would surface but we had to stop 15 feet just below the surface for a short decompression stop. That 5 minutes was the longest 5 minutes of my life as I struggled to remain conscious.
     
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    As far as an all out Nuclear War...it is HIGHLY unlikely.

    What could happen is a rogue state like Iran or North Korea threatening Nuclear War but then again if either one were to actually launch a Nuke...they would then cease to exist.

    What we really have to worry about is Nuclear Terrorists...and that is why BILLIONS have been spent on High Tech. detection.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    I stated that MODERN HUMANS included Cro-Magnon as well as Homo sapiens.

    As for the reasons why Neanderthal went extinct...most scientists believe this was due to being killed off by Cro-Magnon.

    As far as Neanderthals vs. Cro-Magnons or Homo sapiens in Arctic Temps...if you and a Neanderthal were wearing the same cloths in Arctic Weather...you would die well before the Neanderthal did if both of you were exposed to the elements without food, fire or shelter.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    im a so cal beach bum. I practically grew up in the water.

    There is nothing like going into a kelp bed in October water (cold/clear) and roll over. Many have never experienced such beauty.

    cool hobby .... don't let that go.

    But to get back into the thread, I have a hankerin there are many born that still exhibit many asspects of our evolution. Im telling ya, Ronald Wilson; if you saw him the first thought you may have is to ask him to take his shirt off and look at his torso/shoulder/head setting. Just the forehead to jaw slope with his eye brow is enough to make ya grunt. He could carry a full sleeper sofa, 5 flights of stairs and then just look at you and ask, 'where ya want it'.

    Yet for the easy cheap seats facts on evolution. Watch a video of an embryonic development of a human egg-sperm...... thru to birth.

    many evolving points throughout the show

    and everyone us had gone thru the same changes over time.

    Did you notice that the 'walkin on water' thing is practically 'stupid easy' as an answer, but fact....... same difference with the embryo solution.

    It's all there. Some just forgot the song; 'Why, didn't I think of that?'
     
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    I could see south korea becoming an island if necessary but iran I bet already bought a bag of trix from USSSR after the old break up.


    you build confidence

    I wish, I could say you are on the right track but remember....... I guestimated, that if 1detonated over a population (anywhere but especially in the ME), that it is will turn into a fireworks show, with a finale and everything.
     
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    As far as incoming Nuclear Bombers of Mirved ICBM's...google Free Electron Laser...which will be installed upon all U.S. Navy Carriers and Cruisers as well as the SM-3 ABM/ASAT.

    LINK...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDqNjnUNUl8

    View this link...it will put your mind at ease.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    no not true, there is no agreed upon reason Neanderthal went extinct it's completely unknown and only speculative at this point, and speculation is fine as long as it's clear that's what it is ...there is circumstantial evidence of cultural contact with homo sapiens but no evidence of violent conflict, none...I live with an archeologist so my info is quite reliable...

    a couple of pages back you were claiming it was the climate that killed them now homo sapiens?..
    AboveAlpha-"Neanderthal proved to be a dead end as their bodies were evolved to live during an Ice Age...." and they died out during the ice age

    what clothing neanderthals wore and their technical quality is completely unknown, none have survived...and there is no reason to assume they weren't as well dressed as the Inuit, and fur is awesome protection from the cold...ice age animals were covered head to toe in heavy fur and you're implying that Neanderthals went about unclothed?

    you're making definitive claims on speculative assumptions and not definitive evidence...
     
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    I designed parabolic ears when i was a kid and comprehend the capabilities.

    I do not doubt the intentions. My problem is too much exposure to other sources to completely disregard that the oppressed can be held by force forever. I am American, we don't have the problems that other countries have so I don't have a fear of many if any weapon

    My problem is I read and leave it open to the possibilities and take a think on what I find.

    Im not losing sleep my friend but I would rather live under the idea that mankind can overcome stupids with intellect than ever believe a weapon makes safety.

    It is almost like this newly found gun control issue. POliticians are up there claiming that people don't need 'xxxx' guns for hunting and are seeking a voting idea to subdue the weapons herein the USA. I can't believe that politicians believe that the amendment was pertaining to hunting utilities. "WE THE PEOPLE" have guns to make sure the management don't take over 'we the people'.

    IT is weird that few really comprehend that.

    An example is Jerusalem Embassy Act. It's illegal and yet congress approved it. The president(s) know better, will not sign it simple because it is wrong.

    So our congress is going against 'we the people' for a cause that is sustaining oppression.

    Again, I know I am a western, USA, born and raised fool with lots to offer but I also know that no matter how free and strong 'we' are, human beings will find a way!

    And with the oppression occurring now on this earth, we will not be able to stop the inevitable.
     
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    That would help explain Chewbacca...
     

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