So is being gay a choice or not?

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by Sadistic-Savior, May 9, 2013.

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Is being gay a conscious decision or based on biology?

  1. All Gay people are gay because of biology or genetics, not choice

    40.9%
  2. Most Gay people are gay because of biology or genetics, not choice

    45.5%
  3. Few Gay people are gay because of biology or genetics

    6.8%
  4. All Gay People make a conscious decision to be attracted to the same sex

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  1. Johnny-C

    Johnny-C Well-Known Member

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    I don't know man; you just seem to be pretty HARD on homosexuals and homosexuality for no good reasons.

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    How are people seeking "gay rights" attacking "personal liberty"?

    Please, explain.
     
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    By hard you mean I dont think gays need special treatment in regards to marriage, denied to others. Because I dont think we should make an exception for 18 yr old lesbians when they molest 14 yr olds.
     
  3. Goldwater

    Goldwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    People can change what type of sex they have, but you can't change your sexual orientation.

    Did you also notice how that sick repairative therapy provider Exodus in California hung up their shingle and apolgized for being horrible and destructive?
     
  4. sec

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    sure

    If you own a coffee shop and I walk in, and you found out that I just shot Bambi, and you are anti-hunting, you should be able to refuse service to me. Nobody should force you to serve me coffee, flapjacks, nothing, if you do not desire to do so. You should not be forced to give up your anti-hunting position simply because I want a cup of coffee. My desire for coffee does not, and should not outweigh your anti-hunting position.

    You should only sell me coffee of your own free will


    note: I am absolutely consistent about the above and you should not even have needed to try the little game. You will always get the same answer from me. I am no more important than you and do not deserve any special classification or force people to do things for me against their will simply because I can walk and chew gum (sometimes) or can spit 15 feet
     
  5. Johnny-C

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    We need to agree to disagree. What you're saying I cannot abide. So be it.

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    No. We disagree. That is reality.
     
  6. Johnny-C

    Johnny-C Well-Known Member

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    Right. But these guys here, don't want to know and think about those things. They'd rather wallow in their bigotry and homophobia.
     
  7. leekohler2

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    How utterly ridiculous. If everyone lived by your rules, no one would ever get any coffee.

    Here's how it works- in order to run a business open to the public, one must have a business license. If one opens a business to the public, one must abide by the rules of the business license- part of what that means is, a business open to the public may not deny service to people based on individual characteristics, religious beliefs, etc. That is reality. I suggest you get it together and realize that. You say you're against segregation, but what you really want is the opposite. You want to discriminate against people, which will end up segregating people.
     
  8. sec

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    I absolutely want to give you the liberty to discriminate. You choose a particular deodorant or toothpaste and discriminate against the others.

    if you don't want to sell to me, then it creates an opportunity for me to open competition or to bring my business to your competitor.

    The free market will determine if you should stay in business.
     
  9. Johnny-C

    Johnny-C Well-Known Member

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    Reasonable and decent people tend to understand that your kind of society would 'suck'. (We've been there before.)
     
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    Yes, we have been there before, and we know from experience that it does not work.
     
  11. Johnny-C

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    Amen to that!!
     
  12. sec

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    yes, leftists do not embrace liberty; I understand that. I'll never understand why you support broader and larger govt.
     
  13. Johnny-C

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    You lie (and foolishly so at that).
     
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    Ya know what we don't like? Discrimination. In your perfect world, someone's car could break down in a rural area or the desert. If those people were LGBT, black or otherwise- service could be refused.

    Now- what are the people involved supposed to do? The closest place has refused service on ideological grounds- they don't like LGBT or black folks. "Oh hey y'all, we don't serve your kind here. You'll have to go another 30 miles away, they approve of your kind there. Sorry you're thirsty and all, but we simply don't like your kind here. We won't serve you because we have morals and such. You just don't fit in. Sorry about that."

    That's liberty? Liberty now means punishing others for not believing as you do? Are you serious?

    This is what you're telling me sec. Am I misinterpreting you?
     
  15. Johnny-C

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    What he's promoting by his ideals, is evil. I'm not sure if he knows it... but I'm not excusing that BS.

    Most of us want to live in a 'civilized' society. Abject bigotry, hatred, homophobia or racism... looks like garbage and debris to me, fit only to be hauled-off and hosed down.

    We don't have to 'love' everyone we encounter, but the idea of allowing them to be systematically dehumanized to another's satisfaction, is just plain wrong and destructive.

    Everyone needs to learn the LESSON of this experiment.
     
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    Truth not political confusion! ALL HUMAN SEXUALITY IS DEFINED SCIENTIFICALLY ,Obsevable behaviours are as follows ,Hetro-sexual,Bi-sexual and Homo-sexual and as Homosapiens ,we are born with these sexualities .WHEREAS ,Gay and Lesbian 'Identities ' are 100% POLITICAL OUTLOOKS ! www.thirdwave lesbianfeminism is chosen as a political outlook as is www.Queer nationalism and have nothing to do with any Natural sexual act by homosexuals or otherwise.
     
  17. sec

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    the last I checked, it's no longer Democrats in the south and their racist ways. Also, when I call for a tow, I don't tell them that I sleep with women. Do you tell them that you sleep with men? If so, why?

    Let's be clear about one thing. What you push for and do so with code words and catch phrases is to impose your will upon others. And you want to talk about evil????? you gave me a good laugh
     
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    How is equal rights for homosexuals pushing their will on you? It has no effect of any kind on you, unless you are homosexual. Which might explain your OBSESSION with homosexuals
     
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    OK, first, let's not even bring up gay marriage because there are already a gazillion boring threads here about that. I have been clear about marriage and that is that govt should be involved in ZERO marriages and only look at individuals.

    So, now let's talk about rights going forward. With respect to the Constitution nobody is denied any rights

    Now let's discuss preferential treatments which are not constitutional such as affirmative action for race, or protected classes for 3.4% of the population who do not have heterosexual sex.

    If I walk into a bakery with bad body odor, the proprietor should be able to turn me away.

    If I walk in and declare that i sleep with other men, the proprietor should also be able to turn me away if they so desire.

    We should not force that baker to sell you his cupcakes because you chose to discuss who you sleep with. The baker should be able to turn you away because you're wearing Nikes and he doesn't like that brand.

    We have gotten to a place where we now actually believe that having our feelings hurt requires action by the govt; that is wrong.
     
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    Exactly. This is why they don't like an idea of Gayland.
    They will be free and protected there, as well as I would be free from the irritation.

    I remember I was told an anecdote by one of my friends:
    "Modern multiracial company. Every white man, who worked for it is fired under so-called "anti-discrimination" laws, except one. Everybody looks at him, only 1 white male left, telling with their looks that it's his time to go. And that man screams: I am gay!".

    So, the reason, why gays don't agree with idea with Gayland and Straighland it's because it's beneficial to be a minority. Another reason - to outstand, be special, be proud, because you are a minority.
    This is why, what was 30-50 year ago what was considered as "sexual perversion" and psychological illness, became something you can be proud of and it became symbol of "freedom", "intellect", etc.

    Compare: "Proud gay" and "proud straight". The second one doesn't sound at all, telling that "you can't be proud because you are straight". All of this is getting implanted into people's brain by mass media.

    Imagine the situation at work. Let's say there is a gay and he doesn't do something right, let's say he has a bad odor or he is a bad team player, etc.
    So, if you go and complain about it, he will tell: "you are not happy about it because I am gay". So, you will be afraid to criticize him and he will be free to get away with things and do more things, what others can't! Imagine about firing gay. Managers would be afraid to fire him, because they would be afraid of law suits, complains, mass media attacks, etc. So, in order to fire a gay, he should do something really bad, unlike with situations with other people. Also, you are more likely to get a promotion, bonuses, etc. They will never forget a gay employee, because he can always complain about discrimination and company may pay millions for it. And this will never happen in Gayland, because he is surrounded by people like himself!

    So, heterosexuals are the "media" they want to exploit, based on their minority status.
    Q&A for hateful homophiles and trolls.
     
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    Then, your problem is homophillia. And it seems as though you are dealing with it. You can't accept something what you like and others don't. You discriminating me by writing me a medical diagnose - phobia, simply because I don't like what you like. This is a discrimination and offence.
     
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    You spend a lot of time being unhappy. You know that the only person who can make you happy is you, right?
     
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    The only direct experience I have with sexuality is with my own.
    And I can tell you that it emerged one day, and formed itself, I didn't really have any choice in the manner.
    Looking at attractive people of one gender did something to me that looking at people of the other gender did not.

    And from a broader view of the subject, I have come to the theory that sexuality is a combination of two settings.
    One is like a left right balance adjustment on a stereo, tilting you to one or the other sexes, or leaving you somewhere in between.
    And the other setting is like the volume, the intensity of the libido.
    Even for those who's sexuality emerges in the middle, and they are truly bi-sexual, attracted to both sexes, they don't choose that, it emerges.
     
  24. Johnny-C

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    I've put my 'ignore' function back into play; you're it. I'm not putting up with your homophobic BS for now.

    Bye.

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    Indeed!!
     
  25. Johnny-C

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    Exactly!! And people should NOT be vilified or dehumanized for their sexual-orientation. It's EVIL to tolerate the hatred and homophobia.
     

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