Madonna accused of insulting Islam

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...128/Madonna-in-new-religious-controversy.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...far-by-wearing-a-chainmail-niqab-8687452.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...icture-chainmail-niqab.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

She's making a statement about the oppression of women in Islamic societies, and all people can think is how she must be insulting Islamic culture. Why does Islam still get a free pass from criticism?

 

Because the repression of women is cultural, not an inherent part of Islam.
Just as in the USA, the Bible and Christianity, as well as other sheepherder based cults, used their religion and God and Scriptures to justify not giving women the vote, or the right to own property, and so much more.

Christian Americans forget that it was just 100 years ago last February that at long last the Bible beaters were finally out voted to let women get the vote, and thus to eventually be judges, serve on juries and have some say in their OWN lives in their OWN COUNTRY, a right some of our more loudmouth Christians still dispute.

Did the Bible change in that 100 years? Did God change? Did Jesus change? Nope. The AMERICAN CULTURE changed, despite the fierce opposition of so many Christians.

Islam is simply an excuse by misogynists to hold onto their personal power over women, and when those same guys convert to Christianity, the women are still treated like dogs.

 

Because they'll behead you if you insult them.

 

Please prove Christians were mounting some fierce opposition to womens' rights in this country?

No? Didn't think so

 

something that isn't really shown is that the majority of fans were in approval of the statement and sentiment, why is it that if a few have a problem they get lots of attention at the expense of the majority?

 

The squeaky wheel gets the grease my friend.

 

As you mention later; all religions depend of the culture of its followers so what we have is a trash culture that believes islam gives them the right to kill, mutilate and oppress women and non muslims.

So why do you apologize for the Arab dogs by attacking the people who you think have changed?? Is it your opinion that we should just duck and weave the rocks thrown by the islamo Arabs until they learn to be nice?? They have had thousands of years to learn to be nice. They were, after all, the first civilized people. Could it be that they have tried letting women make policies, as we are doing now, and it didn't turn out well, much like the women led election of BH Obama is a disaster?????????

But the Arab pigs can have Madonna if they want. Let's give her to them if they will be happy to behead an American slut and leave us alone for a few years.

 

Feel free to quote statement of mine "apologizing" or "defending" the violent or oprrseive treatment ANYWTHER of women.

Of course you attempt to characterize my point that changing the religion of the misogynists from Muslim to Christian does not solve the problem.

A point which you conveniently prove and reinforce with your next misogynist women-hating propaganda statement about women. I presume your are NOT Muslim, yet there you are hating on them!

 

Ahh there's old Fiddlesticks Dave, and the usual "I-S-L-A-M - I-S - N-O - W-O-R-S-E - T-H-A-N - C-H-R-I-S-T-I-A-I-T-Y" liberal narrative.

 

The objection is that all Islamic societies are not the same and the Muslims that treat their women well are being judged based on how the extremists treat their women. Islam gets no free pass, sadly, those Muslims who are good people often must suffer harsh treatment from others because of the assumption that all Muslims are the same.

 

Dude, get over it. Christians don't now, and never did, hate women.

Traditionally women took care of the homes and men took care of the outside world. This was true both in the Christian word and in the non Christian world, but at no point were women treated like farm animals by Christians the way they are by Muslims.

Oh, by the way . If you are indeed claiming that laws pertaining to women's rights in this country are indeed due to Christians, then you are in fact saying that the US is a Christian nation. For some reason, I'm seriously doubting you would say that.

 

All Muslim nations have SOME degree of dress code for women, and that's just one aspect of the conversation.

 

Actually, Islam isn't worse than Christianity, or better for that matter. Religion isn't good or harmful, it's all in how that religion is conducted. People are the ones that can use a religion for good or harm. We have clear examples from history and current events that prove my point, and those examples are from both Christianity and Islam.

 

I was not speaking of nations that rule based on Islam. I was speaking about Islam and Muslims on the whole. Muslims that do not live in Muslim nations live much different cultural lives than those who do. We shouldn't clump all Muslims together.

 

Generally speaking Muslims who live in non Muslim nations are doing their best to change that status. Not by moving to Muslim ruled nations either.

I don't clump ALL Muslims together, but if you seriously think that Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance , then you are sadly misinformed my friend.

 

I happened to be very informed when it comes to religions and their effects on society. All Muslims are different just as all Christians are different. Christians who do not wish to be pre-judged based on the Christians who act badly all in the name of Christianity shouldn't pre-judge peaceful Muslims. Islam is a religion that can be viewed as a religion of peace and tolerance based on interpretation of their religious texts, and the same is true for Christianity. Alternatively, both religions can be viewed as religions of hate and war depending on the interpretation of the religious texts involved.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks

There isn't a single other religion which has such a long list of terrorist acts in its history. Not one.

If Islam is such a religion of peace , then why are SO many misinterpreting it?

Why do we rarely see David Koresh types misinterpreting the Bible compared to how many Muslims misinterpret the Koran?

Are people who are drawn to Islam just inherently stupid and so they don't understand what they are reading? Or perhaps they are just inherently evil and the Koran is an excuse for their behavior, but if that's the case then why do so many other Muslims cheer when they commit their acts of violence?

can you find a SINGLE example of Christians behaving like this, for example?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-9JpRytCx0

 

The usual crappy conclusions and excuses for everything that is wrong today, your post is. Islam is a code word for women abuse, it's the fact.

 

That's actually rather impressive that a liberal attempted to be consistent for a change. I'm not used to that.

 

You don't seem to know your History very well. The list of horrific treatment towards people by religious zealots is much longer on the Christian side than the Islamic side. In fact, the more hideous torture devices known to man was developed by Christians. Study the Malleus Maleficarum sometime. Here is the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malleus_Maleficarum
Once you study the history of Christianity, get back with me and we can have this debate.

I can find a lot of examples of Christians acting worse than the example you gave me. Westboro Baptist is an example equal to yours.

 

Heiferdust!

 

You're right, I only have a Master's Degree in History, I know very little about the subject.

I fully agree that Christianity has some pretty horrific events in their far past history. However, one MIGHT want to at least consider the time frame for those events to put things into perspective. Pre industrial revolution people just weren't very nice in general. In fact I would use the word barbaric to describe most , including Christians. Now that doesn't excuse their behavior but it certainly explains it.

You have video of people outside of that group cheering them on? I'd like to see that, because most Christians I know of think the Westboro bunch is a bunch of (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s.

 

except that is not true...

 

My link isn't true? If not, then I will stand corrected. But you simply saying it's not true won't cut it.