Facts on Gun Control: It doesn't work.

The data from the US states also disagrees with the claim that more guns = more crime. Again, if one is to claim that its simply other factors which cause the low crime - high gun states to be low crime, whereas in the high crime states, its the guns responsible, the burden of proof is on them to prove it.

When its just a couple outliers that disagree with an overall trend, its easy to argue that there are other factors responsible. However, when, across the board, there is no overall pattern than shows that high gun regions have more gun crime, dismissing it as just "other factors" becomes untenable.

Variations in relevant factors are ironed out the more you have more regions confirming the trend.

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As one can see, in the low crime states, gun ownership is just as high as in the high crime states.

D.c 16.5 - 3.8
Louisiana 7.7 - 44.1
Missouri 5.4 - 41.1
Maryland 5.1 - 21.1
South Carolina 4.5 - 42.3
Delaware 4.2 - 25.5
Michigan 4.2 - 38.4
Missisipi 4.0 - 55.3
Florida 3.9 - 24.5
Georgia 3.8 - 40.3
Arizona 3.6 - 31.1
Pennsylvania 3.6 - 34.7
California 3.4 - 21.3
New Mexico 3.3 - 34.8
Arkansas 3.2 - 55.8
Texas 3.2 - 35.9
Nevada 3.1 - 33.8
Virginia 3.1 - 35.1
North Carolina 3.0 - 41.3
Oklahoma 3.0 - 42.9
Alabama 2.8 - 51.7
Illinois 2.8 - 20.2
New Jersy 2.8 - 12.3
Alaska 2.8 - 57.8
Connecticut 2.7 - 16.7
Kentucky 2.7 - 47.7
New York 2.7 - 18.0
Ohio 2.7 - 32.4
Tennessee 2.5 - 43.9
Indiana 2.2 - 39.1
Kansas 2.2 - 42.1
Mass 1.8 - 12.6
Nebraska 1.8 - 38.6
Wisconsin 1.7 - 44.4
Rhode Island 1.5 - 12.8
West Virginia 1.5 - 55.4
Washingtin 1.4 - 33.1
Colorado 1.3 - 34.7
Montana 1.2 - 57.7
Minnesota 1.0 - 41.7
South Dakota 1.0 - 56.6
Oregon .9 - 39.8
Wyoming .9 - 59.7
Idaho .8 - 55.3
Maine .8 - 40.5
Utah .8 - 43.9
Iowa .7 - 42.8
North Dakota .6 - 50.7
Hawaii .5 - 8.7
New Hampshire .3 - 30.0
Vermont .3 - 42.0

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/health/interactives/guns/ownership.html

 

And yet, you havent shared any of this evidence. If you did this when submitting a paper, you would be laughed out of consideration.

 

LOL Too late

 

Spears and magic helmets....


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Warning: All information I am about to post, is second-hand information from a single source. While I was in CCW training, I was trained by a licensed former UK police officer, who migrated to the US for a woman (of all the stupidity). Nevertheless he told us how the UK gun control / ban works.

Notice, I have not independently verified any of this, and it is entirely possible some of it is wrong.


In order to go hunting in the UK, a potential hunter must get a permit. The permit includes everything, from exactly where the hunt is to take place, when the hunt will take place, what specific weapon will be used, and even the munitions that will be used.

If you go hunting, and are discovered with a gun not registered on the permit, you will go to jail and the gun will be confiscated.

If go hunting somewhere outside of the registered location, you will go to jail, and the gun will be confiscated. (so imagine walking through the woods, in the middle of nowhere, and accidentally leaving your assigned area)

If you purchase 20 rounds of munition, and the hunt is canceled, or for whatever reason you can no longer hunt there, police can come and confiscate all un-used rounds. He did not say if the individual is compensated for confiscated rounds of munition.

As to "lots of people" enjoy hunting in the UK, "lots" is a relative term. Relative to how many used to hunt, the number is a tiny fraction of that, for obvious reasons.

As a side note, the former UK police officer, now a licensed fire arms trainer in the US, said that he wasn't surprised at all by the crime wave that followed the UK gun ban, and that he witnessed it first hand, as he was a police officer there during the 6 years following the ban. He was completely against it, and hoped American wouldn't make the same mistake. (his words, not mine. Argue with him)

And lastly..... I'd advise you not to waste too much time with the other poster. He'll keep repeating himself like a barking Chihuahua, and eventually start trying to insult you. Just FYI.

 

Very few people here ever believed they were cowboys or Sicilian bandits, certainly, but cameras and the like have nothing whatever to do with the matter, because anyone carrying a murder weapon around would be pointed out and reported as a potential killer-nutter by everyone who saw him. People who eat a normal diet are entitled, surely, to point to the unbelievable nature of American gluttony (which, alas, were are being 'advertised' into copying)? You are not free, obviously - far less free than we are. How well do atheists do in business over there, for instance, or socialists? You are in fact hugely brainwashed and unfree, and the pretence that being in a position to murder children makes you otherwise really is sad. And, God knows, we are hardly very free under this ghastly puppet-government of ours, which obeys your masters as if they were reactionary American serfs and teabags.

 

Diddums 'en?

 

My point is that you have less freedom than my dog. He can bite children, you can shoot them, and you'll both get punished. Otherwise it is obey master, as you know. You are not free even to think straight.

 

grab your binkies, it's nap time

 

Well, yes, I'm certainly getting a bit tired and bored.

 

You talk about being brainwashed, and yet I haven't seen a post filled with such fruit loop material of the conspiracy theorist ilk, in at least a year.

Not to mention the idiocy of suggesting that most 'killer-nutter' people walk down the street waving a gun above their heads for everyone to see. Nevertheless, cowboys of the "wild west" are largely shrouded in myth, rather than fact. Few people went on shooting sprees knowing everyone else was also armed. When you are in a room with armed men, how many shots do you really think you can take before being riddled with bullets from every direction? You watch too many movies.

 

I think you want to start looking seriously into mathematics. I find that American rightists get into a sort of spluttering, half-witted offensiveness when the facts are pointed out. Your masters see that you have guns because that convinces you that you are 'free', but free to do what except beat your hollow chests and shoot children is another question. Your bang-bang fantasies are irrelevant: only countries where nutters are encouraged to live in armouries have murder rates like yours, and the facts are clearly connected.

 

Quite full of yourself,aren't you? <snicker>

 

And you're not, Whitetown Strutter? Come ON!

 

I posted this on another site.. part of it.. it applies, imo.. These are, after all, 'Facts on gun control'.

"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future." ~Adolf Hitler

&#8220;The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let&#8217;s not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country.&#8221; ~Adolf Hitler

"Cause the registration of all firearms on some pretext, with the view of confiscating them and leaving the population defenseless." ~Vladimir Ilich Lenin

A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie. ~Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

&#8220;The measures adopted to restore public order are: First of all, the elimination of the so-called subversive elements. &#8230; They were elements of disorder and subversion. On the morrow of each conflict I gave the categorical order to confiscate the largest possible number of weapons of every sort and kind. This confiscation, which continues with the utmost energy, has given satisfactory results.&#8221; ~Benito Mussolini

&#8220;All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party.&#8221; ~Mao Tze Tung



All dictators & totalitarian govts must have strict control of weapons. ALL of them are & were very restrictive on who could possess weapons.



Armed people are free. No state can control those who have the machinery and the will to resist, no mob can take their liberty and property. And no 220-pound thug can threaten the well-being or dignity of a 110-pound woman who has two pounds of iron to even things out &#8230; People who object to weapons aren't abolishing violence, they're begging for rule by brute force, when the biggest, strongest animals among men were always automatically right. Guns ended that, and a social democracy is a hollow farce without an armed populace to make it work. ~L. Neil Smith

Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest. ~Mahatma Gandhi

 

prove or disprove a soul exists with mathematics...............

 

A soul is a concept without much evidence to back it, like American 'freedom' - a noise enforced on people by bullies to make believe things are as they were once imagined to be by people who died long since. If you murder at least four times as many people as others, though, you can see you have a problem. I am not an American and am not into this half-witted 'proving' things by quotes from Fox, Holy Writ or Wikipedia. Four times anything normal suggests the need for an explanation, however, as anyone can see.

 

Jealousy becomes you,scooter......As does your ignorance.

 

so, since mathematics cannot prove or disprove a soul exists. then mathematics doesn't work for everything and should be questioned when supporting emotionalism.
Returnest thou to thine mud hut

 

You talking to me? I can tell you in all honesty that I have never experienced that emotion, especially not of American extremists. What on earth have they to be jealous of? As to ignorance, if you want to think those who oppose your honking are that, be my guest!

 

You 've been on it too long kid. Go home and drink black coffee. If you murder four times as many people as others there is something deeply wrong with you, and it you can't divide by four, hard luck! It is one thing to live in a dreamworld, another to murder children.

 

well well well...........I've never murdered anyone.............................next!

 

Thought so.....

 

If you help scoundrels supply the means and defend the widespread availability of murder weapons out of sheer bloody-mindedness against all sense, surely you are as guilty as if you had?

 

nope. Never sold a gun that was used in a crime or ever bought one.............................I defend myself and my family. So now that your theory has been put to bed, maybe you should follow suit.
Using your theory. how many women have you molested today? How many gang rapes have you participated today? how many children have you stabbed?
your theory fails as applied. If that is the case, every man woman and child are guilty of everything. That must be a sad outlook for you.
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