Has the US become the former USSR?

They say that the US won the Cold War, but looking at the current state of affairs in the US, have they become the power they conquered?

 

No....

 

Not exactly since your government is practising state sponsored capitalism instead of clean state capitalism USSR was into.
If you are asking about your elites exercising the same "influence" core party members had in Sovietia i 'd say you are close .

Note: I visited USSR in the 80's and this is where my opinion is based.

 

Hussein Obama is trying his best to make it the new USSR.

 

I don't think the US has had or will have anything similar to Stalin or the great patriotic war. These two factors probably were responsible for the USSR lasting as long as it did. The breakup of the USA would also be very different if and when it happens. I could see it being more bloody but overall the body count would be lower than the entire USSR saga was unless China or other nations are opportunists and get involved in the civil conflict. No telling what the scenario might look like but I think the breakup of the USSR would look relatively bloodless in comparison even without outside involvement.

 

As one of the few on here who actually lived behind the Iron Curtain, granted as a child, I will say we may not be the USSR at its height but we are definitely where Poland was at in the late 80's and slowly crawling in that direction.

 

Yes and no...

You have to understand what communism was and is... the same people who manuevered the communists into power - the central bankers and the Establishment elite of the U.S. and Europe - are the same people who control our governments and societies.

The goal all along has been to move us toward a premeditated merger. Thesis, antithesis, synthesis.

The more backward or unstable a country is/was, the easier it is/was to gain control of that population. Russia and China were easy targets b/c of their backward societies and largely ignorant populations. The United States was a much, much tougher nut to crack b/c of our Constitution and a population that was pretty firmly grounded in their understanding of republican principles.

At the same time the Establishment was establishing communism in those countries, they were working to dumb down the American population and break loose the U.S. government from the chains of the U.S. Constitution. Like a scale, the more ignorant the American people became, the more expansive the government became - until now, when the population is wholly ignorant, and the U.S. government is completely unconstrained by the rule of law.

For those of us who have studied how the Establishment works and how they use communism and other systems, the "liberalization" that took place when the Berlin Wall came down was entirely predictable; and was, in fact, a false liberalization.

Anatoliy Golitsyn wrote "New Lies For Old" in 1984, and had testified before Congress about these things after he defected in the 1960's - it's not like the American people were not made aware of what was coming. I certainly knew the false liberalization was coming, and what its intent was. If I knew, the misleaders in our government surely knew.

We are now nearing the end game... America's economy will eventually be collapsed; it will be argued that our Constitution is inadequate to prevent such chaos and upheavals and needs to be replaced - once we arrive at that point, the Establishment will offer the antidote to the poison they've given us - the antidote being hegemonic domination of the people by government - government positively empowered, and under the complete control of the Establishment; and since the population is so completely dumbed down, this process should be fairly easy to implement.

 

Actually more like Moussolini's Italy in terms of economic structure.

 

Well, I fail to see how we don't deserve it as a nation. The United States has been one of the greatest Communist enablers since the death of Karl Marx. Nationalist Germany was in a fight for its life against the Soviet Union, trying to defend and safe Europe from the the horrors of Marxism and our response was to attack their western flank and bomb them into the stone age from the air, turning half the West into a Communist prison camp.

This is a `victory` that is celebrated with glee by supposedly "anti-Communist" conservatives, so I don't see how a Soviet Union of our own isn't exactly what the people of this country deserve, and it's exactly what we're going to get, only ours will be incredibly racist towards its white people (as an added bonus) and thus even worse than the original.

We've made our bed. Get ready to lay in it.

 

If you not a nazi your a communist. Got it.

 

Because the only difference between the Nazis and the Soviets was that the communists killed the bosses while the Nazis treated them as a useful source of slave labor.

 

USSR is very bad. Very bad system. Now the world is better off.

 

The US hasn't become the USSR. Russia seems to have become an even more corrupt version of us though.

 

the only thing similar is the debt. USSR was bankrupt near the end. we now have 17trillion debt to worry about.

 

You say that is GOING to happen??? I say it happened a long time ago. In fact, that's the way it has been in every society. No fear here.

 

Dead wrong as usual pheobe.

 

I agree that the Establishment has control now, and has since that fateful day in 1913... just not complete control, i.e. they aren't out of the woods until our Constitution is burned to ash.

As long as the Constitution is still "the law of the land," the people can move to enforce it, and the game would be over for the Establishment. Of course that is highly unlikely to happen b/c of the excellent job they've done of indoctrinating the citizens - like you.

Ya know Phoebe, I find it amazing that you"true believer leftists" can't see the illogic of your position though...

You say -

1) "hate the rich, they're greedy and exploit the poor"
then you say,
2) "... the rich control our government"
then you say,
3) "... the government should have more power to help the poor"

???

You never make the connection that it is you who is most necessary to the success of the Establishment in their efforts to control our society and the masses. I agree that the Establishment controls our government - but I'm not foolish enough to think that giving more power to the entity that they control is in any way going to help the poor, preserve freedom, or do any of the other things you leftists clamour on about.

 

WRONG. ALL I am saying (or said) is that there is always going to be an 'establishment'.

But you bring up an interesting point even tho I disagree with it. Just sit back and watch what happens to the poor and to freedom if you remove government as the firewall. Why do you think the wealthy has been clamoring for de-regulation all these years? I hope you're not thinking that they have any interest at all in preserving 'freedom' or helping the poor.

 

We are in the situation in which we are in because of Democrat violations of the Constitution!

 

Wow, you hit the nail on the head. The liberal position is so internally inconsistent that only an idiot would believe in it.

 

The USA and Soviet Union were polities based on an Ideal. There was no other unifying principle. What happens when the ideal dies? Ask the Soviets. Same thing is happening to Uncle Sam.

 

Um no. The government is the establisment

 

Of course there will always be an Establishment... the only question is whether the government will be empowered for these nefarious rich to deceive, manipulate, and take advantage of the people.

Which, whether you realize it or not, is what you are doing.

Who do you think dreams up all these onerous regulations that burden our businesses, economy, and society?? It is the uber-wealthy that sit above our government. They love over-regulation b/c it helps to eliminate competition from small and medium sized businesses - it hurts the little guy the most; and of course the increased costs they incur are simply passed on to you.

The stock market crash of '29, and the ensuing, artificially prolonged, depression is a good place to start. It takes a lot of manipulation and planning to keep a depression going for that long; but, b/c the people were ignorant of the Establishment, or that FDR was actually betraying them into the clutches of the bankers, the people kept voting for his slate, and suffered for many years as a result.

This is an interesting article, but in terms of information, it is a grain of salt in the ocean. I'm tired, and don't feel like working my brain this a.m.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123353276749137485.html

 

Possibly. But I see the government as a firewall (as I said) between us and the late 19th Century. We even had a middle class for a while. The corporations would like to see us go back to company stores and miners digging coal without respirators.

 

America is shattering demographically and eroding economically. No return. No national unity ever again.
"A nation is a group of people sharing a common history, culture, and DNA." America is now a political
state much like the failed Soviet Union.