So You Want To Talk RACE RELATIONS, huh ? OK.

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by protectionist, Jul 22, 2013.

  1. protectionist

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    AND it is the biggest example of deliberate, legalized, malicious, racial discrimination in American history, victimizing the most number of people, for 50 years. When it is banned in all 50 states, and enforced, THEN we start talking about race relations. Until then, we're in a state of racial warfare, being waged by Blacks (80% of whom support AA), and white ultra-liberal pushers of it.
     
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    I have NEVER known any white person who failed to get a job because of Affirmative Action.
     
  3. protectionist

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    So you've never known the hundreds of Millions of Whites in America, over the last 50 years, who have failed to get a job because of Affirmative Action. OK. We got that. Pheeeeeeww!! (high-pitched whistle) :roll:

    And it's not just "jobs" that are involved. It's also college admissions, and promotions while on the job, like the New Haven, CT firefighters in the Ricci vs DeStefano case.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/25/white-new-haven-firefight_n_371149.html
     
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    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    What about proxies for race? What if there was a scholarship for everyone regardless of race that was from Latin America? Africa? Scandinavia? China?

    What is wrong with discrimination? Two individuals being treated differently based on criteria judged by someone else?

    Sorry about the sentences. I usually post from a phone and type faster then it sends words, but then it scrolls down so it is a big pain to go back and see. Lots of times I read them later and there are words missing, or auto correct has made a real mess of things.
     
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    If I have / had trouble finding good and worthwhile work... I try harder, I go the extra mile, I do more courses, network, volunteer... I get busy...

    but I do not blame my lack of finding good and worthwhile work... on others. That's just a cop-out.

    What a whiny, lazy work-ethic attitude... it's somebody else's fault. Yeah right. Lazy, sit-back-and-blame someone else.

    Really comes down to an attitudinal problem.

    Blaming others won't get you work. Having a positive attitude and not moaning and whining will get you in the door.

    O, the ignoble misfortune of it all... for the whiny ones...
     
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    Were you only seeking government jobs?

    I don't see how one set back 50 years ago ruined your whole economic life.
     
  7. protectionist

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    You're posting too fast. Your quote of me is missing half of my post. Go back and do it right.:giggle:

    And it wasn't "one setback". Are you reading the thread ? See Post # 20.

    And I'd guess there quite a bit that you "don't see", Indeed.

    And one setback can ruin a whole life, if it shuts down your graduate school study. Sure. It take you right out of an occupation. The one you worked toward for 5 years in college.Are you getting enough sleep ?
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Spell check. The exclusive domain of the intellectually inept.

    BTW

    seeking to ensure the applicant pool is diverse is not discrimination. seeking to eliminate people from the applicant pool strictly because of race, as you want to do, is discrimination.

    But, since it's in favor of whites you're all for it.
     
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    Why not apply at a different grad school?
     
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    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    Every racist white believes this, and sees AA as proof of their supremacy. It keeps their hatred alive. Believe that. AA is a horrible policy.
     
  11. protectionist

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    "seeking to ensure the applicant pool is diverse" is DISCRIMINATION, when it gives preference to one race over the other, as is done in affirmative action. Nice try though. And I'm not seeking to eliminate people from the applicant pool strictly because of race. That's in your head, not mine.
    Twist however your creativity allows. You're a racist who supports affirmative action.

    It absolutely is, and anyone who supports it is a malicious racist.
     
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    Hundreds of millions of jobs? Those numbers just don't add up, even over 50 years. Here's some statistics from a group that has an axe to grind but which isn't Black-based: the National Asian Pacific American Legal Consortium reports that although white men make up only 48 percent of the college-educated workforce, they hold over 90 percent of the top jobs in the news media, 96 percent of CEO positions, 86 percent of law firm part
    nerships, and 85 percent of tenured college faculty positions.
     
  13. protectionist

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    Why should I ? Having already spent a semester at this one, and been the #1 student in a class of 23, and being married with 2 kids, you don't have the liberty to go moving around from school to school. After this, I quit schooling and moved to California, getting employed in the start-up of the computer industry.
     
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    First of all, I don't believe studies. Some are true, some are false. many, if not most, try to tell us things that are contrary to what we know just by common sense. One doesn't need a study to know that hundreds of millions pf whites have been discriminated against by affirmative action over the last 50 years. Any application you fill out, going backs decades, comes with an AA questionnaire. Then just think how many Whites (3 generations) have encountered these from 1964-2013 ? Bingo.
     
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    What is wrong with discrimination? Two individuals being treated differently based on RACE.* THAT is what's wrong.

    * as in affirmative action.
     
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    So you are ok with all other discrimination, or is it just the discrimination that helps you? What about a law that discriminates in favor of the wealthy?
     
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    One question. Do you support discrimination based on race ? Yes or no ?
     
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    Is trying to put words in other people's mouths a talent of yours ? I didn't say I was OK with all other discrimination, YOU said that. And I already answered you about the helping me question. You're starting to badger now. Warning- harassing is against forum rules.
    And from what I already said about discriminating in favor of the poor, why would you need to ask me about discriminating in favor of the wealthy? (other than to harass ?)

    Get rid of Affirmative Action. Ban it in ALL 50 states. THEN we talk race relations. And not until then.
     
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    I am working on establishing that you are OK with taking from people you see as different from you and think it is in the best interests of the country if the discriminate in your favor. Just like the blacks do. They also have parents that were disadvantaged like you/the poor. They see themselves as a class that is disadvantaged compared to whites, just like you do with the wealthy. You just rationalize around it, but it is still the same. Someone else paying for what you want because of some claimed hardship. No different.

    If you want to be anti discrimination it starts with everyone getting equal treatment under the law. Not just everyone like you.

    Quit threatening to cry to the moderators every 5 minutes. Tattling is not a debate tactic.
     
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    You're working on that are you ? NO, what you're working on is trying to avoid the reality that you are as racist who supports racial discrimination (in affirmative action) And "everyone getting everyone getting equal treatment under the law. " is what I am advocating. And that would require the abolition of affirmative action, which is UNequal treatment under the law.

    As for the moderators, you don't harass ? You have nothing to worry about the moderators. Frankly, you've been trolling behind my posts long enough now. Buzz off.
     
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    I know I've never voted on it, and I'm pretty sure I know what the results would be if it was voted on.
     
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    I never said it didn't, what I said is that you can't simply choose a student over another JUST for race. You can use race as one of several criteria, which would include merit, region of the country, social class, and writing a really good college entrance essay. You might even consider where a student has been volenteering. You can't do JUST race, which is what you think is happening.

    And no "viable race neutral alternatives" clearly points to the FACT that the ideal the court is aiming at is NOT USING RACE to achieve diversity. Or why do they care that the college PROVE that there are no race neutral alternatives.

    We're moving away from AA slowly, and we don't have a quota system, which is what you want to imply is going on. THERE ARE NO QUOTAS.

    Now, if we're going to debate the relative merits of AA, it would be really helpful if you'd bother to find out what the actual LAW says, rather than simply multiplying yourself by every white person in this country.

    I personally don't like AA, but at this point, we can't get to that debate because you insist on twisting it into knots so it does what you need it to do so you can win.
     
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    I didn't say I thought JUST RACE was being considered, YOU said that. And YOU are twisting AA into knots so that it does what YOU need it to. Just like you pretend that by considering other factors in addition to race, that therefore is not racially discriminating. Of course it is. Any time race is considered AT ALL, it is racist discrimination against Whites, and you are a racist for supporting it, and you think you can come in here an BS your way out of it by throwing a lot of words around. Caution: Quality trumps quantity.

    And where do come up with idea that "We're moving away from AA slowly" ?
    EARTH TO SEPTIMINE: Before I retired recently, I filled out 55 application for government jobs (US, state, county and local) ALL has affirmative action questionnaires, and don't give me the quota BS. Quota or no quota, if you see an AA questionnaire, they are discriminating against Whites (and Asians)

    And NO, it would NOT be really helpful if I'd bother to find out what the actual LAW says about AA. This is just another of your clever (you thought) ploys to try to snow me into thinking AA is OK. LOL. EARTH TO YOU AGAIN. I'm 67 years old. I'm a college graduate, and I grew up in the big city (New York) Your feeble snowing attempts are useless and a joke.

    Lastly, I never "imply", infer, or insinuate anything, ever. That's for cowards who can't own up to their beliefs. If I have something to say, I say it. And I say that there will be NO talk, no deals, no negotiations, no discussion of race relations, as long as affirmative action is still in existence. Affirmative action MUST BE ABOLISHED >> 100%. THEN we talk. Kudos to the 8 states that HAVE ABOLISHED it. >> California, Washington, Michigan, Nebraska, Arizona, Connecticut, New Hampshire, and Oklahoma.
     
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    Race relations are "bad" because race pimps (like a certain member of this forum) make it so. The truth is there isn't oppression etc. anymore, I lived in the "ghetto" so I know what ghettoans are all about, and the number one thing is victimizing themselves
     
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    Make it so?

    Are you trying to tell U.S. that back in the 1870-1960s, Blacks should have just meekly accepted their abuse at the hands of the KKK and other Anti-Black Bigots who used humiliation, denial of education, jobs, and ruthless mob violence against them?

    Is that what you claiming, for the sake of harmony, Blacks should have just accepted their fate?

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