What Is Main Lesson To BE Learned From the Zimmerman Case ?

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  1. Margot

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    I have never seen a sign referring to hoodies in convenience store.

    Trayvon wasn't on anyone's porch or under the eaves.. He was under the lighted mail kiosk when the rain got heavier.
     
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    I think when calling a professional a "liar" , some sort of evidence should be presented . Especially since that lie would be a CRIME since he was under oath . I wouldn't call that "dubious" but I'm not a mod . I thought that was exactly what the rule was for ....I guess the standard here allows to accuse anyone of a crime with no evidence . Sad.
     
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    What was criminal about it? The only criminal act that night was committed by Martin. The only racial connotation that night was from Martin and his girl friend.

    Why do you know that and why should someone who defended themselves from serious bodily harm when assaulted be in jail? Do young black males have a right to assault people who observe them?
     
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    Because having respect is a worthy goal no matter from whom don't you think? Do want people to respect you, then live with the results.

    It was an economic necessity and you do realize the slavery was legal in north and existed in north and even existed in the north AFTER the Civil War ended.

    It's actually a matter of history, who do you think the Europeans bought their slaves from? Who do you think engaged in white slavery? Where does slavery stil exist?

    Who said it did? But do keep in mind the United States, did not originate slavery into this world. The United States did not bring slavery to the America's. And to constantly try to blame Anglo's/Caucasians for African slavery is a denial of the fact that slavery existed in Africa long before Europeans arrived there and existed there after Europeans and even the United States finally rid themselves of the practice.

    I’m fully aware of the Arab/African/Spaniard slave trade that went on for centuries before anybody ever heard of the continent now known as America, but please do no insult my intelligence or attempt to disconnect white peoples role in one of the most pervasive, disgusting inhumane acts ever committed.

    As were poor whites. But now we all live together and you can live in any neighborhood you can afford.

    The dragging up anything Zimmerman did before that night is also irrelevant and the only relevant matter is that Martin assaulted Zimmerman that night and Zimmerman had a right to defend himself, facts you left out of you summary of events.

    So he should have just let Martin beat him senseless and create serious bodily harm to him? Blacks are now free to attack whites who look at them and white are no longer allowed to defend themselves because blacks were once slaves in this country?

    Just read your own statements.

    So you would have preferred there never were a United States? What is your point? What country has a "spotless" history? Can you tell me a country that sacrificed as much as this country did to end slavery and bring freedom and liberty to all citizens. Yes it doesn't happen over night and struggles remained but I know of no other country where a black person or a yellow person and any person has a better chance at success or enjoys more liberty in attaining it.
     
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    So if a young black male walks by my house I must turn my head and not look at him else he has a right to come back and assault me and threaten me with serious bodily harm and I have no right to defend myself.........................when did the laws change to allow that?
     
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    Doesn't it make you curious that he never called his mother who was with Trayvon's father to report he had not come back from the store with the Skittles he was bringing back to him? That he didn't say anything to them when they returned? There was a crime scene being investigated when the father and girlfriend returned and their son who was sent there for disciplinary reasons was not home and no curiosity as to why he was not there? That statement about him may have gone off with a cousin yet he had not told anyone and in fact had told the girlfriend's son he was just going to the store?
     
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    So should we boycott Florida like JayZ?
     
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    Where can I see one of these 'fantasy' books? Just one location please.
     
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    Too bad Bernie was so stupid he wasn't able to prove to the jury such a simple claim. Next time try Crump. He and his new 'para' Dee Dee' AKA 'Precious' would have destroyed the defense.
     
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    The history I believe has to be consistent with the present. What grew out of Timbuktu? Why didn't Mali take off from that and become a light to the world? It was probably set up by more advanced races, just like all welfare projects. That is consistent with the present.
     
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    That's the problem. Too many "djeli" doing their thing instead of actually accomplishing anything day-to-day. And that my friend is why Mali is one of the poorest countries on the planet. Enjoy the free mint.
     
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    Quite the shame that blacks are so racist.
     
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    Were they buried in the same place where the video of George causing his own head injuries is buried?
     
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    The little green men have finished with beating George up now. They'll have time for you to take a ride. Did you know that they had actually turned into lawn sprinklers to disguise themselves according to one of our resident experts?
     
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    Then you will be willing to tell us where George got the cash for "a vigorous defense" right?
    The State spent millions on a case they were convinced they couldn't loose. In the end they were so desperate they tried to sneak in a 'child abuse' charge. AC the **** did what she is known and hated for: overcharged in an attempt to get the poor sucker in her sights to 'roll'. Not this time ****! In the end a jury reviewed to evidence and found George not guilty. Live with it.
    If AC had overcharged a relative of yours (BTW almost 100% of her over-charges are against Blacks) just so she could score political points what would you think of her? Wake up.
     
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    Need a mint? The "quack" is one of the most respected gun shot experts in the world. Yeah right. He's going to ruin his reputation for a *****? I don't think so.
     
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    New York allows for self defense defense, and you don't need to go in a spaceship to see the world isn't flat, there are mountains and hills and valleys and all kinds of things to prove the earth isn't flat.
     
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    So you are saying that when Left... is continually claiming that George inflicted his own head wounds is an assertion that he can't back up some how has a "good cause"? His constant assertion that George was a 'boy bumper' is OK? Unbelievable.
     
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    Could be. It does maintain my point that large piles of cash run the show versus justice, and who can afford it.
     
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    Because I think the "private sector" is a runaway train of excess, and when cash dictates everything (even justice), I'd say the crapitalistic "private sector" is a farce hopped up on corporate BS, perpetuated by those that already have everything they need financially and their desire to take even more. This "private sector" now controls the courtroom too. Anything that's counter to it, is worth discussing.
     
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    How many lawyers did OJZ have on his "team"? How many on the "team" of the poor man? Which would YOU rather have? State appointed token, or OJZ's "team"? Gimme a break with the bs.
     
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    Main lesson: When you suckerpunch someone, make sure you knock him out cold. Trayvon should have traded his food stamps for brass knuckles. That's the kind of crack he needed.
     
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    All lawyers have to pass the same bar exam. Spare me the BS.
     
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    For that, we have only the word of a known liar.



    Why should a kid who thought he was defending himself from a boy bumper by dead?
     
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    Bottom line time….

    My response to the question: “What is the main lesson to be learned from the Zimmerman case” basically stated "white men can do no wrong", and in that response I raised the ugly past of some of his more vicious sins committed over the years.

    Look, I’m not going to constantly fuel a ridiculous back & forth about issues that we all know are true. I’ll never be able to bring light to minds that are happy to live in the darkness or too stubborn to look through a different prism.

    I also don’t want to keep tracking too far off of the core of the topic which is the verdict.

    All of us will forever hold different positions regarding this trial and I’d like to believe that it would mark a paradigm shift in our politics & judicial system that will prevent such a miscarriage of justice from ever happening again. (but I doubt it)

    I’ve given many solid reasons for why I think GZ should have been charged with something opposed to just walking Scott free out of a courtroom and all I’ve received is a torrent of reply’s reeking of racially tinged predispositions from people that think all blacks are better off dead to quoting idiotic Florida statutes that wouldn’t hold water anywhere else in the country because of how idiotic & weak they are.

    Everyone is entrenched in their positions and nothing is going to change that. I believe GZ should have been punished for committing murder and there are those of you that believe a child, kid, young adult (or whatever else you’d like to categorize him as) deserved to die for getting angry because he was being followed, for being a bit of a hothead, for returning the same stalking he was a victim of, for being fed up with people treating his people like they’re all criminals, and for losing his cool.

    We can all spend month’s discussing this, but the bottom line (minus all the ridiculous now urban legend lies surrounding this case) is:

    1. A kid left his families residence to buy some candy and something to drink for his younger sibling.

    2. A kid was on his way back home from the store talking to a female friend on the phone (about nothing like all kids)

    3. That kid wasn’t casing homes to burglarize or going to rendezvous with pimps, prostitutes or drug dealers on the corner.

    4. An adult out on his nightly Dudley-doo-gooder rounds spotted this kid and immediately pegged him as a criminal, a thug, an (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) that wasn’t going to get away.

    5. An adult went into “hero mode” based on his frustrations with the recent crimes committed in his neighborhood and more-overly because of his negative feelings & assumptions about young black kids. You ask (how do we know that) “these (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s always get away” I rest my case on that point.

    6. An adult found himself on the receiving end of being followed and didn’t know how to react. There were so many things Zimmerman could have done differently that night when Trayvon approached him and all of them could have prevented this tragedy. The biggest thing Zimmerman could have done that night was never start any of it in the frist place. The point is that even when a kid makes the wrong decision, an adult should have the mental ability to make the right decisions.

    Yes, Trayvon lost his cool and hit someone.

    Yes, that’s technically against the law.

    No, he should have never circled back around to confront George.

    Here’s where blacks & whites all see this thing differently and nothing either side says is ever going to resonate with the other.

    Blacks will never be able to make whites understand what it’s like to be black in this country. Blacks will never be able to make whites understand how sick and miserably tired they are of being profiled, of being automatically assumed to be a criminal, a thug, or a drug dealer.

    Blacks will never be able to make whites understand why TM reacted the way he did that night. (that alone is the crux of all of this)

    My argument is that it wasn’t TM’s burden to be put in the position he was put into in the first place. George is an adult, George’s inexcusable behavior lies in the fact that he initiated something that we all know now was over nothing. The kid was on his way home, period. Kids will be kids, and we can’t expect all of them to always make the right choices, and I believe the responsibility of that altercation ending without death or ever starting was on George that night.

    Had GZ looked at this kid and simply dismissed him as just another kid in the neighborhood that night and kept it moving I wouldn’t be typing these words right now and TM would be alive.

    The key words here are: kid & adult.

    What I find absolutely amazing about the incredible outpouring of support for GZ is the fact that this armed adult killed an unarmed kid and not one of you Zimmerman supporters are holding this adult accountable for any of his actions, his bad decisions, his assumptions, his obvious racial bias, and his recklessness.

    White, Black, Brown, Red, Yellow TM was a kid, and no kid deserves for so many adults to place so much responsibility on his dead shoulders while dismissing & excusing everything that the adult did in this altercation.

    GZ has gotten a complete pass on this and that’s what’s so insulting.

    I’m disgusted over this verdict and I would be just as disgusted if GZ had shot and killed a White kid, a Spanish kid, and Asian kid, an Indian kid, an Italian kid, a Russian kid, an Irish kid, an Australian kid, an English kid, etc. etc. etc.

    Fight amongst yourselves, GZ deserved some type of punishment for taking someone’s life and the fact that he could do what he did and face absolutely no punishment what-so-ever is bad for all of us, regardless of what color you are………….
     
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