If America has a future, it "belongs" to Atheists

It's not semantics. "Created" implies a conscious act towards a goal (as in "creativity"). Natural processes are not conscious. They can't "create" anything.

Chemical reactions plus external energy sources, plus time led to self-replicating amino acids and proteins which when combined with more chemical reactions, external energy sources, and time led to DNA and earliest simplest forms of pre-life that would be similar to today's viruses, prions, etc. Those took on even more chemical reactions, external energy sources, and time and eventually evolved into simple single celled life forms that would be similar to algae or just simple chlorophyll cells.

 

Is there an atheist state in the history ? I just wonder .

 

So there was always energy and matter swirling about? No event began moving it, is was always just moving?

 

Now you are talking about gravity effects and those are something we have no historical evidence beyond the Singularity about.

Matter and energy can be neither created or destroyed, so they have to have always existed.

You seriously need to get educated on physics.

 

I'm not sure how I can be more clear that I don't believe in god, and it's not just organized religion. As for something coming from nothing again how do we know there was nothing to begin with? Why can you accept that an intelligent super being has been around for eternity but cannot accept the same of the matter and energy of the universe? I'm not saying that is the answer, I'm just saying that we don't know, and we are going off of theories based on the evidence around us.

As for life yeah it's crazy that it would happen, but as we learn more we will understand how and why.

 

Where is the proof that a lot of atheists are atheists due to emotional reasons? This is new and exciting to me being that I've never met anyone who said "yeah some religious guy gave me emotional issues so now I don't believe in God." I've seen plenty of religious people give me nonsensical reasons for the existence of God, such as "look around you" and "the universe had to come from somewhere", as well as "where did life come from" and "I survived (insert item) so God is real", but never anything solid. Anyway I'd like to know how you came to that conclusion because it seems entirely wrong to me. As for why atheists tend to vote democratic again, look at what the GOP is doing. Most people are too dumb to get over the two circus tents, so if you have to pick between one or the other, are the non-believers going to pick the one that is for separation of church and state or the one that is ardently against that concept?

 

People who believe in a god are delusional. Delusional people are mentally ill. I don't want mentally ill people running my country.

 

No, someone delusional thinks they know all the mysteries of the universe, & dogmatically states their position with intolerance.

Personal omnipotence is so unbecoming...

 

Lots of them. ussr, red china, pol pot's cambodia, che guevara & fidel's cuba.. lots more in the marxist vein. These were states where atheism was the official 'religion'. All others were not allowed.

 

I don't think you understand what an atheist is. We believe in what has been scientifically proven and do not attempt to explain that which has yet to be explained without the help of fairy tales.

 

Soviet Russia and Cuba was consisted of people who have religious beliefs , just they were under pressure by their governments . Chinese people have different religious believes . Budizm , confucianism , islam etc .

Maybe atheism was official but people didnt think so.

 

Well, we're talking about the official state religion, as far as i can see. I thought that was your point, not total conformity of the population, which is impossible in any society. The goal of the communist regimes was a 'new man' unfettered with the pesky religious values. They taught, propagandized, & killed to reach their goal, but it didn't work. The new man did not evolve.

 

I know what an atheist is. I also know what a dogmatic asserter with claims of omnipotence is. Do you concede there might be something beyond what you imagine as 'absolute truth?' If not, you are stuck in a dogmatic role of personal omnipotence. You will cling to your beliefs, and not be open to possibility.

You say dogmatically, 'there is no god'.. yet you cannot know this. You are NOT omnipotent. There are facts & mysteries in the universe you cannot possibly know, yet you make this statement. You may 'believe' there is not god, or you may not think the evidence supports such a claim, but to claim absolute knowledge for all facts in the universe seems very presumptuous. If you tempered your statement with your own understanding, or personal experience, i'd understand that.. but you are dogmatically stating as absolute fact that which you cannot know.

 

Do you believe there is no such thing as fairies?

 

You want to debate the existence of fairies? How about aliens? Intelligent life on other planets? Unknown life forms at the bottom of the sea? Life on mars? Other planets able to support life as we know it? The possibility of life as we do not know it?

It just keeps going on, conlib.. you can't possibly 'know' all the answer to these questions, yet you claim to know the most important one in all of human history.

 

Atheism has never led to anything good in the history of the world. Conversely, despite its blemishes, belief in God has built virtually everything positive, benevolent, and humanitarian in some form or fashion. Karl Marx was an atheist. And he believed his philosophy was better for mankind than any religion. Yet ironically, there is more blood on his hands than all the world religions combined.

Someone doesn't have to believe in God to be moral, but the likelihood of an entire society remaining moral without a foundational belief in God is extremely minimal. Because when there is no higher authority to be held accountable to, man sees himself as the apex of the universe. Which inevitably turns him into a megalomaniac. We all know that absolute power corrupts absolutely. The people that think otherwise are either naive of history or are simply just fools.

So this is where it gets interesting. Ultimately, whether or not God actually exists is completely irrelevant. Because simply living as if He does produces better results than living as if He does not.

Chew on that one for a bit, atheists.

 

No, I want to know if you believe in fairies. Or condurfjukls? Condurfjukls are a group of superhumans I just made up. But how could you possibly know for sure, right? Just in case, I think you should follow the rules of the Condurfjukls that were just pressed in a book. But actually there are 100 different books and you have to randomly pick one and hope you get the right one.

 

I deal in reality, friend. How many threads are there on the existence of fairies, here? How many on the existence of god? The matter is not settled by the collective of humanity, & there is a lot of difference in opinion. I am content allowing some mystery in life, though i would like to know the answers to the myriads of questions that have plagued humanity for millennia. You should know that some people actually DO believe in fairies, or spiritual beings. Can i dogmatically state they DO NOT exist? No. I'm not that arrogant to believe that my limited knowledge & experience equips me to make that declaration. Can i doubt it? Emphatically, yes. I am a skeptic, & am not easily swayed by the superstitions of man.

But if you want to pick something this important, & base it on your personal conjecture or delusions of omnipotence, that is up to you.

 

I never said I could say no god existed with 100% certainty; I can't. That said I don't believe in a god because their is nothing that proves a god exists (burden of proof). Just like if I asked you do YOU believe in fairies you would say no, correct? Why? Because there is no evidence that supports their existence. We are atheists because we examine the evidence and find nothing that would suggest a god exist.

 

you believe a complicated God popped into existence first, I believe less complicated stuff came first and evolved over time

we both seem to agree that before that we just can't know what existed

 

The inevitable recurrence of the return of the scientific process and general mathematics/sciences isn't a what-if/what-not, it would be a necessity for the advancement of the human race in that scenario.

That's literally what separates humanity from less intelligent species, the need for technological advancement in order to supplement otherwise weak bodies.

I'm not bashing religion, nor would I. I'm simply stating that, while regardless of what you believe, the universal rules of time and space such as gravity, relativity, and simple mathematics are solid, provable concepts, whereas religion is literally baseless speculation. That isn't an insult to you or your belief, it's exactly what it is, no matter how you sugarcoat it or plaster "faith" across it. Speculation. You can say the big bang theory is the same (and in a lot of ways it is, because like I said in my previous post, science is an ongoing process, all answers are not readily available), but in the very least advancement toward a provable answer is a real prospect with science.

I don't feel I need to remind you that religion has done the polar opposite across the stretch of human history.

 

myths have played their role that is for sure, but Science has really taken us forward, one can be spiritual and not be theist per say

one problem myths have created throughout history is the my God is bigger and better then your God, you do not deserve to live if you blasphemy my God, ect.. ect...
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There's a big difference between the "creative force" for which science is seeking, and 'God did it' which is the simplistic and banal default setting for those who can't think for themselves, but need to rely on the supernatural and man-made myths to explain their existence.

 

What good has ever come from religion? How many centuries of religious wars have there been? Religious persecution in the name of whichever 'gods' were currently in fashion fill the pages of history books; decades of child abuse covered up and denied by the Catholic hierarchy until the evidence was too overwhelming to ignore any more. These are your "better results".
Religions are, for the most part, pus-filled sores of corruption, greed and hypocrisy.

 

My argument is you are seeking the same thing. You just call it by different names and are a little bit more accurate.

Again, how did all of this come into being in the first place? And no more cop outs like "it must have always been there" as if we science doesnt exist and the the universe is expanding and starts from a singularity.


All other quotes only half quote and then were followed by "I don't know" arguments so I won't waste my time there, but if I missed any new arguments let me know.

All you "atheists" agree that you pray though right? Wishing and hoping is irrational if you don't believe in a higher power.