The Old In-vitro Fertilization Fire Scenario...

So you are saying that this



is harder to carry than her



Really?

 

you've never really carried anything, have you? i could carry YOU easier than that cask. notice it has two handles? it has two because it's freaking heavy and i would need both hands and carry it in front of me. i could throw you or the kid over my shoulder and still have a free hand to feel my way out or open doors...not that that's the best way to exit a burning building, but if we get real and stay close to the floor, the kid could be dragged-the cask? not so much. you can't crawl with no hands very well. it's you're not leaving and it's not going with you. saving the dreams of hopeful parents would be nice, but killing yourself in the process does no one any good.

 

Actually I spent most of my younger years carrying things - including people and rigid containers, so that puts that assumption out the door .. there is also no requirement for the canister to be carried in two hands, it could quite easily be dragged along the floor and being a rigid container would not be subject to the "dead" weight and flexibility of the child .. in fact you could quite easily use no hands to move the canister just by rolling it (the embryos inside are frozen in place, they would suffer little or no damage).

Anyway the point isn't about what is possible it is the fact that given the choice 99% of people would grab the child not the container which further adds weight to the evidence that pro-lifers are not really that concerned about embryo's when they are held up against a born person.

 

I clearly pointed out that the container for the embryos was of equal weight and ability to carry.

 

Notice all the ways they have to SCRAMBLE to come up with a way of NOT answering the question.

They know what we know.....they say the 12 year old, they admit that they don't think embryoss are "the same as" a child. They stick to their rhetoric and say the embryos, they look like wackos, evil wackos no less.

Their b.s. on abortion doesn't hold up in a hypothetical where they're called to defend and support it.....over the life of a real child.

 

Everyone should instantly say they would rescue the 12 year old as she has the most value.

 

If a person states that they truly believe an embryo is "the same as" a 12 year old child....they can't "instantly say that without contradicting their own rhetoric.

 

sorry, i live in the real world, not your imaginary one...which would explain why you're a liberal.

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i hope you got the lid secure, liquid nitrogen stings.

 

The situation is clearly hypothetical....and clearly shows that "pro-lifers" don't believe their own rhetoric on embryos being "the same as" children.

That's why they (and you) want to debate the hypothetical...not answer the question.

 

your question is hypothetical, and outlandish at that.

 

Sigh, unless the container is being accessed then the lid is firmly in place .. its called health and safety.

 

The American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) released a statement about fetal pain given the misleading testimony during the debate over HR 1797, the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Act. This legislation was recently passed by the House of Representatives and if it becomes law will ban all abortions after 20 weeks. There is a life of the mother clause and rape/incest exemption, but only if the rape/incest is reported to the police before the procedure.

We’ll have to discuss the atrocity of requiring a police report to “legitimize” rape/incest on another day. Today I want to focus on the erroneous and thoroughly unscientific belief that a 20 week fetus feels pain.

This is the statement from ACOG on the scientific facts concerning fetal pain:

A rigorous 2005 scientific review of evidence published in the Journal of the American Medical
Association (JAMA) concluded that fetal perception of pain is unlikely before the third trimester.
Although ultrasound monitoring can show intrauterine fetal movement, no studies since 2005
demonstrate fetal recognition of pain.

Sound health policy is best based on scientific fact and evidence-based medicine. The best health care
is provided free of governmental interference in the patient-physician relationship. Personal decision-making by women and their doctors should not be replaced by political ideology.

The American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG), representing more than 58,000
ob-gyns and partners in women’s health, supports robust, factual debate on issues of importance to the
American people. We urge you to call on us to provide expert factual explanation of issues related to
women’s health.

It is important to note that many other medical societies also oppose HR 1797, including:

American College of Nurse-Midwives
American Medical Women’s Association
American Nurses Association
American Public Health Association
Association of Reproductive Health Professionals
American Society for Reproductive Medicine
National Association of Nurse Practitioners in Women’s Health
National Family Planning & Reproductive Health Association
Physicians for Reproductive Health

The above is a determination by the AMA...AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION.

A Fetus CANNOT FEEL PAIN prior to the 3rd trimester.

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