Can a Person be charged with Murder for Killing anything other than a Human Being?

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Can you be charged with murder for killing anything other than a human being?

  1. Yes - Give Examples

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  2. No - See Comments

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  1. randlepatrickmcmurphy

    randlepatrickmcmurphy Well-Known Member

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    I thought you said this thread isn't about abortion lol.
     
  2. Chuz Life

    Chuz Life Active Member Past Donor

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    Whether I do or not...

    My question is not directly about abortion.
     
  3. Alfalfa

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    Not directly, it was a Trojan Horse question so you could maneuver the discussion into abortion.

    Other posters aren't thick. Most people can recognize a "gotcha" trap.
     
  4. Chuz Life

    Chuz Life Active Member Past Donor

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    The thread is not.

    That post was only an answer to his/ her question.
     
  5. Chuz Life

    Chuz Life Active Member Past Donor

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    Also, the UVVA is not about abortion - other than the fact that it makes exceptions to keep abortions legal.

    The UVVA is about when a child becomes a child and when it becomes a crime of murder to illegally kill one.
     
  6. Chuz Life

    Chuz Life Active Member Past Donor

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    Do I need to report these to get you to stop making personal attacks?
     
  7. Alfalfa

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    In other words, it's not about abortion....heheh.
     
  8. Pardy

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    And eventually euthanasia / assisted suicide / compassionate homicide or whatever else people want to call it. They can't call it 'murder', however.

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    I'm amazed at how far people go to fight for 'humans' like the one above, but refuse to adopt an orphan. Since a zygote has a good chance of being flushed down the toilet, I can't help but wonder why don't don't hold toilet-side vigils in memory of all those murdered humans.
     
  9. Chuz Life

    Chuz Life Active Member Past Donor

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    They already do.

    Natural death as tragic as it is - is not murder.

    An voluntary abortion is not a 'natural' death.
     
  10. PrometheusBound

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    Endangered = Unfit. The balance of Nature is not in man's favor, so let's shave off the excess species. They are either our enemies or get in our way.
     
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    New rule of logic: If you ever think the Fetus Fetish cult might have a point, their slimey tactics prove that their position is pointless. The next time they do that, I'm going to make one post after another about something non-abortion that their fake topic would cover. They want us to play Ping-Pong on a tennis court.
     
  12. PrometheusBound

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    Moving right along, I have no sympathy for Hindus who starve to death when they have all those sacred cows they could have killed and eaten, among other tasty animals. The British should have put a stop to that, just like they banned suttee.
     
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    You know what? Libretardians pull the Trojan Horse stunt too. They'll ask, "Do you think a man who works has to share his reward for that with someone who doesn't work?" (meaning TAXES!!!))

    I'll answer, "No. Why should I let the idle-rich stockholders freeload off my work?"

    Then they'll get all upset and start crying, "What does that have to do with the question?"
     
  14. PrometheusBound

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    I don't know if it is a human being, but a zygote can definitely qualify to post on PF. That would explain a lot of what goes on here.
     
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    It's best to put the whole Fetus Fetish cult on Ignore. After all, they think we are mass murderers and therefore they can use any method they feel like to get rid of us. God is on their side, so whatever they do is permitted by supernatural authority.
     
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    idk why when people kill animals they say its not murder cause its LEGAL!! animals don't see it that way murder is murder. and im tired of these human definition crap stories. not trying to guilt trip but when blacks were slaves white people thought we were nothing but animals so murdering US was legal cause we weren't human! just shows you that the definition of certain words only works for certain people...
     
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    When will you whining crybabies realize we disinvited ourselves to your pity party long ago?
     
  18. Colonel K

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    human being
    n. a member of any of the races of Homo sapiens; person; man, woman, or child.

    No mention of pre-borns. No murder there, then.
     
  19. skeptic-f

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    I said no because the definition was that of a human being. Personally I would extend the definition of murder to that of the killing of any sapient (thinking and self-aware) being. Suppose you could prove that dolphins were definitely sapient; should the Japanese still be allowed to kill them? Or if we found stone-age sapient aliens on another planet; wouldn't killing one of them be murder? At that point, the question of when a fetus becomes self-aware becomes more than academic.
     
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    when will YOU realize i was just using an example.... guess thats what happens when people only read what they want to read.
     
  21. Chuz Life

    Chuz Life Active Member Past Donor

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    According to the Unborn Victims of Violence Act - you're wrong.

    "(d) As used in this section, the term “unborn child” means a child in utero, and the term “child in utero”
    or “child, who is in utero” means a member of the species homo sapiens, at any stage of development,
    who is carried in the womb
    . "

    Can you tell me why I should believe you and why I should dismiss the language of the UVVA?
     
  22. Colonel K

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    This thread, like so many others, is entirely dependent on a highly selective dictionary definition. I merely offer a complete debunking of its entire basis by way of an alternative dictionary definition. QED.
     
  23. Chuz Life

    Chuz Life Active Member Past Donor

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    A highly selective definition?

    I can give you multiple sources that all use essentially the same definitions.

    Are you claiming that it is all a conspiracy?
     
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    Of course not. Your own definition says so - and no, it doesn't apply to a fetus, which is exactly what I suspect you are getting at.
     
  25. Chuz Life

    Chuz Life Active Member Past Donor

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    Are you claiming that no one can be charged with murder for killing a child which is in the fetal stage of their life?

    You might want to google that before you make the claim.
     

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