Prevent another Holocaust?

Actually it would have made absolutely no difference whatsoever as Hitler suspended most of the Weimar Constitution he didn't like. The fatal weakness of that Constitution was article 48, which gave the Chancellor the power to cancel all or any part of it due to a "National Emergency" which was never defined.

 

I'm not going to respond to that entire wall of text point by point but I do feel the need to point out that your precious Konrad Morgen is a liar, just like the rest of the Holohoax industry.

http://www.whale.to/b/konrad_morgen.html

He also provides some damning insight:

Contradicts himself:

I just chose a few snippets to post, read the whole thing yourself.

Also, here is some anti-German doctored photos exposed:

 

Kinda of like how the American Supreme Court, in Affirmative Action, has suspended the 14th Amendment Rights of 102 Million American White Males for forty plus years?

I'd say there is ALLOT we Americans can learn about how to avoid another Genocide, by looking at the Details of the Holocaust.

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Sure, here you go:

 

You keep posting walls of text of irrelevant agenda-driven trash to carry on this charade, like asking me to refute the eye witness testimony of "thousands of eye witnesses."
What eye witness testimony? You haven't even provided there so called testimony. You're just embarking on a propaganda campaign to lead people that are reading the thread to believe you have mountains of evidence which, in reality, don't actually exist.

Here's some more pictures.

Interesting. Looks very similar to the Japanese camps in America.I have my doubts that 80,000 bodies are being incinerated just behind them.

Here was the original plague at Auschwitz:


4 million. Sounds horrible. Unfortunately, like all the other lies regarding what transpired there, it didn't stand the test of time and a little bit of scrutiny.
It was revealed those numbers weren't even close and was revised down to 1 million.
The new plaque:



But was the total number of "Six million" ever revised? No.
And again, No.

The Russians kept the documents from Auschwitz top secret until the 90's. The Americans and British still keep their documents regarding this whole affair top secret to everyone but prominent members of the "Holocaust" industry. I wonder what they're hiding.

Here's one of your alleged "gas chambers":


The "gas chamber" with a view. Yes, that's a window, and it's unbarred. Pretty illogical for "mass extermination chambers." You would think one of the "six million" victims would have thought to just break the glass to get some air.

It was made clear to the allies, who were zealously trying to apply war-crimes to the losing nation, spearheaded by the Soviets who should sit in judgement of NOBODY, that The Majdanek hoax gas chamber is a fumigation room, where Zyklon, an insecticide used all over Europe to kill lice to prevent the spread of typhus, was used to delouse clothing. Captured documents showed that Josef Kramer was trying to save as many people as possible from the outbreak of typhus, and so the allies, in his British Kangaroo court, gave him a sinister sounding war-criminal nickname then executed him.

The photos that were presented at Nuremberg weren't even taken from the so called "Death camps" and were taken at Belsen and other locations where it was widely understood, and still is, that the prisoners were dying of disease. The allies have already falsified so much evidence that in an actual criminal court the entire thing would be thrown out and dismissed.

None of the defendants at the Nuremberg trials admitted to any involvement in any "Holocaust" and didn't even know what the allies were talking about.

DR. KAUFFMANN: What attitude did you adopt when you heard about it?

KALTENBRUNNER: I had no knowledge of Hitler's order to Heydrich regarding the final solution of the Jewish problem at the time I took up my office. In the summer of 1943 I gathered from the foreign press and through the enemy radio...

COL. BROOKHART: Witness after witness, by testimony and affidavit, has said that the gas chamber killings were done on general or specific orders of Kaltenbrunner.

KALTENBRUNNER: Show me one of those men or any of those orders. It is utterly impossible.

COL. BROOKHART: Practically all of the orders came through Kaltenbrunner.

KALTENBRUNNER: Entirely impossible.

The "Holocaust" brainwashing got into full swing immediately at the end of WW II. Within a week of the capture of Buchenwald, Hollywood director, Billy Wilder, was in the camp making a film of propaganda lies that still circulate to this day, using props, and claiming the Germans were making soap from the fat of Jewish prisoners, lampshades from Jewish skin, and shrunk the heads of the prisoners. This was later admitted to have all been lies. The allies had their fantasy-story set in place before the war ended and went to work to start inventing it without a moments delay. Most of this nonsense no doubt probably originated with the Soviet propaganda minister.

My question to you is this:
If your story is so sound in its facts, why have the allies had to constantly lie about it, doctor photos, misrepresent photos, hide documents, etc?

Like I said, you can try to hold back the wind with your hands if it pleases you, but the truth is emerging and will continue to slip through your fingers. This entire story has been falling to pieces at an increasingly accelerated pace.
The fact that certain people made this story up about the Germans is in and of itself a crime against humanity.

 

Interesting thread - it's got everything everything from the Gulags to the Holocaust, Hitler and Stalin to Milton Friedman, affirmative action to abortion, and a helluva lot in between. I'd throw in Oliver Stone and Robert Oppenheimer but I think I'll let it slide...

 

If the story is completely unsound, then what about the many people who did die there? I don't mind arguments about numbers; if you say 100 thousand Jews died rather than 6 million, you're just replacing one really big number with another. But when we have ex SS members like Karl Wolff talking about watching Jewish prisoners being shot with Heinrich Himmler, does it really make sense to argue that Jews weren't being executed en masse?

Of course the story was exaggerated. Stories do get exaggerated sometimes; everyone knows that this kind of thing happens. But that doesn't mean it was fabricated from whole cloth.

 

20 people facing a firing squad for a specific reason is a bit different than six million women and children being gassed to death in extermination chambers before having their bodies incinerated.
I doubt you would appreciate it if the torture of Iraqi insurgents during the Iraq war was transformed into the Americans having death-factories which millions of Iraqi babies passed through ovens by means of conveyor belt. Of course, a rational human being would understand such a story was completely ridiculous...

 

Show me his lie, what lie has he stated, prove it, stating a claim that he thought that the exterminations took place at Auschwitz-Monowitz does not prove he is a liar it shows that he was mistaken but that is not what's important about his testimony in the first place as his was testimony towards specific atrocities of which he had direct knowledge.

Zundel's testimony does nothing to prove that there were not mass atrocities at Dachau (even though it was not even one of the extermination camps) your laughable sources have to bring up the strawmen of lampshades and shrunken heads because that's all you have. To claim that Koch's trial and execution by the Nazi's disproves the holocaust is laughable because A) Buchenwald was not an extermination camp and B) the murdered inmates wouldn't have been Jews in the first place as by the time of the murders they would have been sent to the extermination camps in the East.

Your articles are laughable, these supposed sporting games were for SS guards, the brothel was for Aryan Kapos not Jews, and to bring up a sex slavery operation at the camps does nothing to alleviate the seriousness of Nazi atrocities.

The camp brothels were usually built as barracks surrounded by a barbed-wire fence, with small individual rooms for up to 20 women prisoners, controlled by a female overseer (Aufseherin).[1] The sex workers were replaced frequently due to exhaustion and illness, and were usually sent away to their deaths later. The brothels were open only in the evenings. No Jewish male prisoners were allowed as patrons. Those with access to the customer lineup (Aryan VIPs only), had to sign up for a specific day and pay two reichsmarks for a 20-minute "service" based on a predetermined schedule. The prostitutes were matched with their clients by an SS-man. The market for the "prize-coupons" was routinely cornered by the common criminals who wore the green triangles (hence the "green men" denomination).[1] There is evidence (somewhat controversial)[6] that in some of the brothels, women might have had tattoos inscribed on their chests saying "Feld-Hure" (Field Whore).[7] Some of them underwent forced sterilizations as well as forced abortions, often resulting in death.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_camp_brothels_in_World_War_II

Aside from not proving in any way, shape, manner or form that Judge Morgen was a liar you completely ignored the numerous other Nazi's who testified e.g. Kremer Böck, , Hofmann, Hössler, Klein, Münch, and Stark.)

You won't because you can't, as said your propaganda did nothing to prove Morgen as a liar, you can not comment on the numerous other testimonies because you can't find ready made libelous papers from Nazi websites, you can't comment on the Einsatzgrupen reports, you can't comment on the documentation regarding cremation capacity, you can't comment on the Jewish census comparisons, you can't comment on the transcripts from the Wannsee Conference outlining the final solution, and you can't comment on Himmler's Poznan speeches proving that "final solution" was not a euphemism for deportation but rather extermination.

 

Also, this is a good example of the psychological effect of propaganda, especially propaganda that is relentless and drilled into people at birth. People have an emotional reaction to the "Holocaust," so now, even if it is proven to be a complete lie from top to bottom, they'll still look to firing squads and that emotional reaction will be the same as if it were "six million."
Where as, if the truth were told immediately, and people were informed that the SS executed some prisoners by means of firing squad, the emotional reaction wouldn't even compare.

It's the very reason why, even if all of these things were true (which they most certainly are not), people consider the Soviet Union the lesser of two evils when compared to Nazi Germany, despite the Soviet horrors far outweighing even the most ridiculous allegations surrounding the German concentration camps.

Fact means little. Emotion is everything.

 

So now we've gone from NYT's articles to some obscure magazine doing a historical analysis of ancient Israel written and published by god knows who, in order to prove this as somehow part of this global Jewish conspiracy fantasy that you have, you will need to A) prove the author as Jewish and/or B) that the publisher was Jewish owned.

 

You talk about emotion as though that's the most important thing in the world. Frankly, my emotional reaction to the Holocaust has dried up; to me, it's overplayed, like the death of Trayvon Martin. The Nanking massacre (for instance) has got a bit more bite to it; many people don't even know what that is.

Honestly, DeathsHead, you would be more persuasive if you were less dogged. Did the National Socialist government execute large numbers of Jews for the sole crime of their Jewishness? Or didn't it? Rather than admit "OK, fine, they did" and moving on, you just look like a crazy extremist. Your obsession with Jews is funny.

 

I believe that is the case with most people. It's still tradition to say "that's horrible," but I honestly don't believe most people care anymore. As you said, it's been overplayed.

No. They wanted Jews expelled specifically for their Jewishness. The people executed via firing squad were, as I understand it, primarily people involved in Germany's Communist parties, subversive movements, etc. Individuals opposed for ideological reasons. Perhaps this wasn't the case with everyone, and I have no doubt that innocent Jews were killed simple by getting caught up in world affairs, but that is where it ends so far as systematic killing was concerned.

Just a reminder: I didn't create this thread. I didn't create the other thread about old alleged war criminals in the United States. I only respond to them. Otherwise agenda-driven falsehoods would be propagated unchecked and unchallenged. I'm not sure I have ever created a discussion thread on this topic. I simply don't ignore them when they are created by others.

 

One problem I see with it is that the Jewish people don't see it that way. And it's understandable that they wouldn't. I had a couple over to my house a few years ago to play roleplaying games (that's my thing), and she went on for quite some time about the Holocaust and how it affected her growing up. It's a source of anxiety for her.

But I don't think it's just her. I think this is part of a much larger trend which, in a bit of sad cosmic irony, drives Israel's atrocities in the Middle East:

http://www.salon.com/2010/06/05/never_again_israel/

Israel and the psychology of “never again”

By Sandy Tolan

Why does Israel continue to act against its own interests?

Over the years, and especially since 2006, the Jewish state’s deadly, over-the-top military actions in response to provocations from Hamas and Hezbollah — and now from a flotilla ferrying humanitarian aid to Gaza — have backfired. And in each case, the Jewish state has grown less secure by increasing its international isolation and fueling fury much closer to home.

...

None of this is in Israel’s interest, of course. So why does Israel persist in such behavior?

One answer: The country is stuck in the political psychology of “never again.” The Jewish state appears so trapped by the wounds of its own terrible history that it keeps repeating its past mistakes of excessive force, even though it knows these will only isolate it and therefore weaken it further. In this way, the politics of trauma drive the nation ever further from the safe harbor that ordinary Israelis have so long craved and never enjoyed.

Oh, whatever.

You know what I like about you, DeathsHead? You are totally oblivious to the way you appear to others, and to how transparent your motives are. No one is fooled by this tactic of "just not ignoring threads." It is as obvious as the sun in the sky that you have a personal obsession with world Jewry. I wonder what would happen to you if the Jews disappeared? Would you turn to the wall in boredom and despair? Would you sort of deflate like a baloon? What would you do? Thank God for the blacks, I guess. They'd still be there to give your life meaning.

 

You completely misunderstand me. I realize you don't think that's the case, but it is.

 

The testimony of Morgen, Kremer, Böck, Hofmann, Hössler, Klein, Münch, and Stark.)

Along with these testimonies which I have provided you can't comment on the Einsatzgrupen reports, you can't comment on the Jager Report, you can't comment on the documentation regarding cremation capacity, you can't comment on the Jewish census comparisons, you can't comment on the transcripts from the Wannsee Conference outlining the final solution, and you can't comment on Himmler's Poznan speeches proving that "final solution" was not a euphemism for deportation but rather extermination.

A Soviet exaggeration that was not part of the consensus 6 million figure.

Kogon, et al, admit that "records concerning these facilities were either not made in a systematic way or have not been preserved." But they do explain that in the beginning at Majdanek "two gas chambers were installed in a wooden barrack, then a brick building was put into service. The two temporary chambers were later used as drying rooms." Plans from the Berlin firm, Auert, still exist for "the iron doors with their rubber packing [that] could be securely bolted." If Cole was observing the original wooden barracks, they were obviously modified later for different use, which could explain the window and lack of locks.
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/skeptic-magazine/skeptic-12.html

A) Is it to be unexpected that those who knew they would face the death penalty if they were convicted would not lie as to their knowledge and complicity?

B) Some defendants at the trial did admit their guilt but claimed they were not responsible because they were just following orders IE the Nuremberg Defense.

C) Heinz Jost during the Einsatzgrupen trials not only admitted guilt but stated that the mass murder of Jews was justified!

"Do you regard it proper, militarily proper, to shoot fourteen people, or only one person for that matter, because he spreads Communist propaganda?" and he replied —
"According to my orders these measures had to be carried out. In that far it was correct and justified."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz_Jost#War_crimes_trial
http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/NTs_war-criminals.html

While it was never put into mass production, soap production from human fat was performed on an experimental basis:


In 2006 a sample of the soap archived at the International Court of Justice in The Hague was given for analysis to Andrzej Stołyhwo, an expert in the chemistry of fats from the Gdansk University of Technology in Poland. He concluded that some of the fat in the sample tested was of human origin. The sample of soap had previously been used as evidence in the post-World War II Nuremberg trials, but at the time the technology was unavailable to determine whether the soap had been produced from human fat. The human remains used to make the soap were believed to have been brought from Kaliningrad, Bydgoszcz and Stutthof concentration camp.

Today Holocaust deniers employ this controversy to criticize the veracity of the Nazi genocide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap_made_from_human_corpses

Investigators tracked down some of the soap produced by Spanner. Samples had been used as evidence of Nazi war crimes between November 1945 and October 1946, during the Nuremberg trials. A jar containing the soap is stored, along with the rest of the Nuremberg trial documentation, in the archive of the International Court of Justice in The Hague.

Tests on the extant soap sample were carried out by Professor Andrzej Stołyhwo of the Main School of Agrarian Economy (SGGW) in Warsaw, a specialist in the chemistry of fats.

Stołyhwo explained at the press conference that soap from human fat arises as a natural byproduct during the process of reducing corpses for such purposes as obtaining bones to be used for educational purposes by medical students.

However, Stołyhwo's expert analysis of the soap sample from the archive of the International Court of Justice in The Hague showed that kaolin had been added. This abrasive ingredient made the soap suitable for utility purposes. "For me, this is a violation of ethical principles," Stołyhwo added.

http://en.auschwitz.org/m/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=55&Itemid=8

 

Well, maybe you'll do me the favor of disabusing me of my misguided notions, then. Because I can't recall you ever posting more than a few lines on any topic unrelated to Jews, multiculturalism, or race. Nor was it even remotely a surprise for me to find you had made the first three responses in this thread - or that they had all been deleted. Nor do I think I'm the only one who "misunderstands" you.

 

Please read through the link carefully. If you did, you would realize the depth of deception the PWD-SHAEF used to create what they wanted to show the world. The fact that you are willing to take the words of these people and the people who still propogate these lies (which have been watered down time, and time again when disproven) is very interesting.

At least you admit the lampshades are bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Several decades ago, you would have been arguing the case for their existence.

Were the movie theatres and soccer games for SS use only too?

[video=youtube;YVmIaBW-HjI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVmIaBW-HjI[/video]

To be completely honest, I don't have the time to disprove every individual testimony, as the abundance of damning evidence to the contrary is already enough. Maybe I'll get to all of that tomorrow though, we'll see.

You mean that completely unverifiable, likely fradulent document with no signatures, no stationary, that could have been written by anyone ? There is an interesting discussion about them here, though you will likely dismiss the source:

http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68

Who is denying that they cremated corpses?

Which numbers are you referring to?

http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1289

Again, the "minutes" of that conference have been debunked:

http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1647

Carlos Porter has addressed that deliberate mistranslation which translates the word "ausrotten" to "extermination" instead of the more accurate "up rooting". You can read more about that in depth here:

http://codoh.com/library/document/891

http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7422

But keep it, up sheep. Your claims have been debunked physically by brave men like David Cole (A Jew ironically). You can keep throwing as many shady documents as you want. More and more people are waking up about the true story of WW2.

[video=youtube;PWCOjOj4RAU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWCOjOj4RAU[/video]

 

In addition to Jost mentioned above we, also, have Otto Ohlendorf who likewise justified the mass murder of Jews during the Einsatzgrupen Trials:

Q. What were these orders?

A. These orders had as their purpose to make it as easy as possible for the unfortunate victim and to prevent the brutality of the men from leading to inevitable excesses. Thus I first ordered that only so many victims should be brought to the place of execution as the execution commandos could handle. Any individual action by any individual man was forbidden. The Einsatzkommandos shot in a military manner only upon orders. It was strictly ordered to avoid any maltreatment, undressing was not permitted. The taking of any personal possessions was not permitted. Publicity was not permitted, and at the very moment when it was noted that a man had experienced joy in carrying out these executions, it was ordered that this man should never participate in any more executions. The men could not report voluntarily, they were ordered.
Q. Why did you not prevent the liquidations?

A. Even if I use the most severe standard in judging this, I had as little possibility as any of the codefendants here to prevent this order. There was only one thing, a senseless martyrdom through suicide, senseless because this would not have changed anything in the execution of this order, for this order was not an order of the SS, it was an order of the Supreme Commander in Chief and the Chief of State; it was not only carried out by Himmler or Heydrich. The army had to carry it out too, the High Command of the Army as well as the commanders in the east and southeast who were the superior commanders for the Einsatzgruppen and Einsatzkommandos. If I could imagine a theoretical possibility, then there was only the refusal on the part of those persons who were in the uppermost hierarchy and could appeal to the Supreme Commander and Chief of State, because they had the only possibility of getting access to him. They were, after all, the highest bearers of responsibility in the theater of operations.

Q. Did you not try in Nikolaev to dissuade the Reich Leader SS from this order?

A. The situation in Nikolaev was especially depressing in a moral sense, because in agreement with the army, we had excluded a large number of Jews, the farmers, from the executions. When the Reich Leader SS was in Nikolaev on 4 or 5 October, I was reproached for this measure and he ordered that henceforth, even against the will of the army, the executions should take place as planned. When the Reich Leader SS arrived at my headquarters, I had assembled all available commanders of my Einsatzgruppe. The Reich Leader addressed these men and repeated the strict order to kill all those groups which I have designated. He added that he alone would carry the responsibility, as far as accounting to the Fuehrer was concerned. None of the men would bear any responsibility, but he demanded the execution of this order, even though he knew how harsh these measures were. Nevertheless, after supper, I spoke to the Reich Leader and I pointed out the inhuman burden which was being imposed on the men in killing all these civilians. I didn't even get an answer.

Q. Now, I cannot pronounce it correctly, the Karaims were another sect whom you encountered in the south of Russia, and this sect had no Jewish blood, but it did share the religious confessions of the Jews. Is that right?

A. Yes.

Q. You submitted to Berlin the question whether the Karaims should be killed, and I understood you to say that the order you got from Berlin was you shall not kill them for they have nothing in common with the Jews except the confession?

A. Yes.

Q. Will you explain to the Court, please, what difference there was between the Karaims and the Krimchaks, except Jewish blood ?

A. I understand your question completely in reference to the eastern Jews, in the case of the Jews who were found in the eastern campaign. These Jews were to be killed-according to the order-for the reason that they were considered carriers of bolshevism, and, therefore, considered as endangering the security of the German Reich. This concerned the Jews who were found in Russia, and it was not known to me that the Jews in all of Europe were being killed, but on the contrary I knew that down to my dismissal these Jews were not killed, but it was attempted at all costs to get them to emigrate. The fact that the Karaims were not killed showed that the charge of the prosecution that persons were persecuted for their religion is not correct, for the Karaims had that Jewish religion, but they could not be killed because they did not belong to the Jewish race.

Q. I think, Witness, you answered exactly what I had antici-

*Sect which refused the Talmud and adopted the Old Testament as sole source of faith.
**Turkish Jews of mixed Semitic and Tartaric blood.

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pated in the last sentence, "They did not belong to the JewishRace," is that right?

A. Yes, That is right.

Q. They were found in Russia?

A. Yes.

Q. But they participated in the Jewish confession in Russia?

A. The Karaims had the Jewish faith, yes.

Q. But your race authorities in Berlin could find no trace of Jewish blood in them?

A. Yes.

Q. So they came absolutely under the Fuehrer Decree or the Streckenbach Order to kill all Jews?

A. Yes.

Q. Because of blood?

A. Because they were of Jewish origin. For you must understand the Nazi ideology, as you call it. It was the opinion of the Fuehrer that in Russia and in bolshevism, the representatives of this blood showed themselves especially suitable for this idea, therefore, the carriers of this blood became especially suitable representatives of the bolshevism. That is not on account of their faith, or their religion, but because of their human make-up and character.

Q. And because of their blood, right?

A. I cannot express it any more definitely than I stated, from their nature and their characteristics. Their blood, of course, has something to do with it, according to National Socialist ideology.

Q. Let's see, if I can understand it; we've got a lot of time, I hope. What was the distinction except blood?

A. Between whom?

B. Between the Karaims and the Krimchaks?

A. The difference of the blood, yes.

Q. Only the difference in blood, is that so?

A. Yes.

Q. So the criterion and the test which you applied in your slaughter was blood?

A. The criteria which I used were the orders which I got, and it has not been doubted during the entire trial, that in this
Fuehrer Order the Jews were designated as the ones who belonged to that circle in Russia and who were to be killed.

Q. Tell us how orders that you operated under in 1941 in Russia differed from the order which controlled killing of Jews in Poland in 1939 ?

A. In Poland individual actions had been ordered, while in Russia, during the entire time of the commitment, the killing of all Jews had been ordered. Special actions in Poland had been ordered, whose contents I do not know in detail.

COL. AMEN: Were all victims, including the men, women, and children executed in the same manner?

OHLENDORF: Until the spring of 1942, yes. Then an order came from Himmler that in the future women and children were to be killed only in gas vans.

COL. AMEN: How had women and children been killed previously?

OHLENDORF: In the same was as the men - by shooting.

COL. POKROVSKY: You said that mostly women and children were executed in these vans. For what reason?

OHLENDORF: That was a special order from Himmler to the effect that women and children were not to be exposed to the mental strain of the executions; and thus the men of the kommandos, mostly married men, should not be compelled to aim at women and children.

THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): In your testimony you said that the Einsatz group had the object of annihilating the Jews and the commissars, is that correct?

OHLENDORF: Yes.

THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): And in what category did you consider the children? For what reason were the children massacred?

OHLENDORF: The order was that the Jewish population should be totally exterminated.

THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): Including the children?

OHLENDORF: Yes.

THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): Were all the Jewish children murdered?

OHLENDORF: Yes.



http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/Ohlentestimony.html

 

[MENTION=61753]Face, Your[/MENTION]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Ohlendorf later recant that?

 

There are tens of thousands of eye witness testimonies. there were at least 10,000 war crime trails of nazis with accompanying evidence and testimonies. There are mountains of documents that attest to the holocaust. There are literally hundreds of scholarly books written about the nazi regime and their myriad crimes. There is actual forensic evidence developed by actual professional scientists. There are literally hundreds of nazi confessions.

Playbook tactic # 1. Creamed Mush with Fog Sauce -- Never provide evidence for your assertions. In fact, respond to demands for evidence the way Dracula responds to crucifixes. Do anything you can to avoid it. Throw insults. Change the subject. Obfuscate. Laugh derisively. Claim you already gave the evidence or that someone else did. But never provide any evidence yourself (unless you provide an incomplete or incomprehensible citation along with it).

Playbook tactic #10. Fun With Math -- Charge the anti-revisionists with playing numbers games while engaging in them yourself. For example, argue that the "holohoaxers" have changed the estimated number of Jews killed at Auschwitz from 4 million to 1 million. When it's pointed out to you that the 4 million figure was supplied by the Soviets and refers to the total number of victims, not just Jews, and has always been considered ridiculously inflated by non-Soviet historians who have never varied from the 1 million figure for Jews, just repeat that the holohaoxers have changed the number of Jews killed at Auschwitz from 4 million to 1 million and that the Holocaust is therefore a hoax. The point of this tactic, of course, is to try to make ALL the death figures questionable. If 4 million is unreliable, then 1 million is likewise unreliable, and you just keep revising the numbers downward until you reach zero, and then - poof! - no Holocaust!

what whole affair are you speaking about? If its the holocaust you are simply parroting ye another stupid denialist assertion.

REvisionist tactics 4,8 and 9 (the "grand" slam).
4. And I'm a Chemist too! -- Express a series of doubts and claims about the properties of Zyklon-B, the gas used to kill people in Auschwitz gas chambers. For example, claim that Zyklon-B is not an ideal agent for mass gassing, and therefore the Nazis shouldn't have used it and thus they *didn't* use it. Even better, claim that they *couldn't* have used it because the gas lingering in the chamber after the murders would have killed anyone trying to enter the chambers to remove the corpses. When someone explains to you (countless times) that some of the gas chambers had powerful ventilation systems to remove the gas and in other cases people entering wore gas masks, argue that despite the ventilation there would still somehow be enough residual gas in the chambers to kill people.

Keep waving a DuPont brochure around in an attempt to ward off those who know more about chemistry than you do. Also claim that ventilating the gas would cause problems to individuals downwind. When someone explains to you that the gas is lighter than air, just quietly go away for awhile or change the subject or complain about a mean word they may have used.

8. Now You See It, Now You Don't -- Argue that the gas chambers never existed because they are not still standing. Of course, by this logic, the Mayflower, Carthage, Jimmy Hoffa, and large portions of the Great Wall never existed. When this is pointed out to you, ignore it.

9. Kafka Was Here -- Argue that the gas chambers never existed because there are no photos or drawings of them. When you are presented with photos and drawings, state that they could not possibly be actual photos/drawings of gas chambers because the gas chambers never existed because there are no photos/drawings of them because they never existed because...

Seriously? these dudes are on trial for the lives accused of the most enormous crimes and you think they are going to cop to it? Brilliant logic. Notice on Kaltenbrunners first response.

[video=youtube;8105U1WY9ro]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8105U1WY9ro[/video]

Revisionist tactic #16
16. As for the motive behind the Holocaust "hoax", claim that the Holocaust was invented near the end of WWII by people who foresaw the establishment of the state of Israel, and also foresaw that Israel would face years of conflict with its neighbors, and also foresaw the consequent need for U.S. military and financial aid to Israel, and also foresaw possible public opposition to such aid, and so they invented a huge hoax with thousands of phony witnesses and documents so that those who might oppose the aid to Israel would feel sorry for Jews and wouldn't oppose the aid. When someone points out to you that this is sheer idiocy and that acts of genocide do not automatically turn on the aid spigot to the victims, ignore them.

Revisionist tactic #11. The Great Leap -- This tactic goes like this: If one piece of testimony about the Holocaust seems unreliable, then ALL testimony about the Holocaust is unreliable. If one Holocaust witness may have recanted something on the stand, then all other Holocaust witnesses are liars. If some camp prisoners did not starve to death, then NONE of them starved to death. etc. But be careful. This is a double-edged sword -- someone may use the well-documented lies of other revisionists to conclude that YOU are a liar as well.

Yes, a few nazi apologists and jew haters have been making up the story that the holocaust never happened. That the poor nazis were simply jewish scapegoats.

Taking advantage of the few charlatans, liars, the handful of apocryphal stories, and idiots like Leuchter and Krege. Liars and amateurs like rudolph, mottogno, faurisson, weber, cole, barnes, buttz etc. The vast majority of holocaust denial "evidence" has been thoroughly and completely debunked. You can keep regurgitating the same crap but it isn't going to make it any truer.

Of course, that is not to say that there are some kernels of truth. Revisionists have uncovered a miniscule number of fraudsters, they have managed to identify the source of may apocryphal stories, they have uncovered a miniscule number of liars, they have uncovered some "doctored for effect" photos. But what they haven't done in any way shape or form managed to debunk reality and truth.
That there was a plan called the final solution which called for the extermination of the eurojew. That here were gas chambers. That the nazi's murdered millions of jews, gypsies, gays, "defectives", russians, poles, etc by gas/shooting/beating/hanging/starving/neglect/overwork/experimentation.

Holocaust denialism. A jew hating nazi apologist bag of lies, distortions, ignorance and stupidity.

Cheers.

 

Provide the lie he stated and provide the proof that it was a lie, I am asking for the specific lie, that you can prove as such, Zundel's propaganda testimony is proof of nothing.

You keep setting up those strawmen and I'll keep knocking them down.

The movie theaters and soccer games that were mentioned in this Nazi propaganda video were not at Auschwitz but rather at Buchenwald and Theresienstadt which were concentration labor camps not extermination camps like Auschwitz II (Auschwitz-Birkenau), Chełmno, Belze, Majdanek, Sobib, and Treblinka.

Yes we know, the numerous high ranking Nazi's who were not charged with any crimes just decided to testify of their complicity and knowledge of the extermination of European Jewry just for the hell of it and have to this day not recanted their testimony.

No I mean the Operational Situation Reports of the Einsatzgruppen that were confirmed by Kurt Windlow chief of subdepartment IV A 1 [of the RSHA] who received them as authentic, he was acquitted of all charges due to lack of evidence in 1950 and never recanted his testimony:

"From October 1941 until about the middle of 1942, I first was deputy chief and later chief of subdepartment IV A 1 [of the RSHA]. This subdepartment dealt with Communism, war crimes, and enemy propaganda. Moreover, it handled the reports of the various Einsatzgruppen until the command staff was set up in 1942. The Einsatzgruppen in the East regularly sent their reports to Berlin by wireless or by letter. The reports noted the various locations of the Gruppen and the most important events during the period under survey.

I read most of the reports and passed them on to Dr. Knobloch, Inspector of the Criminal Police, who compiled them at first. The compilation was published daily under the title 'Operational Situation Reports - U.S.S.R.' These reports were stenciled and I corrected them. Afterwards they were mimeographed and distributed. The originals of the reports which were sent to the Reich Security Main Office [RSHA] were mostly signed by the commander of the Einsatzgruppe or his deputy.

The reports, 'Operational Situation Reports - U.S.S.R.' [Nos. 114, 115, 118, 128, 138, 141, 142, 144, and 159] as shown to me, are photostats of the original reports drawn up by Dr. Knobloch in subdepartment IV A 1 of which I was chief. I recognize them as such by the red borders, discernible on the photostat, their size, the typefaces, and incomplete borders.

I identify the handwritten initials appearing on the various reports as those of persons employed by the Reich Security Main Office. Considering that six years have elapsed since then, I cannot remember the full names of these persons whose handwritten initials appear on the documents. From the contents of the handwritten notes, I conclude that these were made by Dr. Knobloch. Moreover, I notice that various parts of the above-mentioned reports are extracted from the original reports of the Einsatzgruppen to the Reich Security Main Office.

On the strength of my positions as deputy chief and, later on, chief of subdepartment IV A 1, I consider myself a competent witness, able to confirm that the "Operational Situation Reports - U.S.S.R." which was published by the chief of the security police and the security service under file mark IV A 1 were compiled entirely from the original reports of the Einsatzgruppen reaching my subdepartment by wireless or by letter." (12)

The Ereignismeldungen UdSSR (Morning Reports - U.S.S.R.) were initiated on June 23, 1941, and terminated with No. 195 on April 24, 1942. They were published almost daily. On May 1, 1942, they were replaced by the weekly reports called Meldungen aus den besetzten Ostgebieten (13) which appeared until May 21, 1943 (number 55).

The original reports were sent to the National Archives in Washington, D.C. after the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials. In 1960 they were given to the Bundesarchiv (the West German national archives) in Koblenz. Photocopies of all the reports remain in the National Archives in Washington and at Yad Vashem, the Holocaust Museum and Memorial in Jerusalem.

The Einsatzgruppen constituted the principle German instrument of annihilation of the Jewish people in the Eastern (Soviet) territories. While other groups fell victim to the Einsatzgruppen, only Jews were doomed as a people in their entirety.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/esg/authenticity.html

No I am referring to cremation capacity of 80,000 per month at Auschwitz as not being sufficient for the number of corpses which required cremation as proven by the Nazi's own documentation:

80,000 Cremation Capacity Per Month Not Sufficient for Auschwitz - New Document

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/

Do the math, even if we use that 80,000 figure which was not sufficient production capacity then between September 1942 to the liberation of Aushwitz in January 1945 we come to the figure of 2.25 million deaths using the low 80,000 figure and for only a single camp.

According to the World Almanac Census data the number of Jews alive in 1949 at 11,266,600 now when we subtract that number from the 1938 census data of 16,588,259 the number of Jews who disappeared into the ether over that decade was 5,321,659.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/ftp.cgi?people//f/freedman.benjamin/background-data

lol your absurd post is trying to claim that the numbers of Jews listed by the Nazi census are highly inflated when in actuality they are well in line with the World Almanac Census data for 1939, then it claims that no gas chambers were mentioned as the final solution which is completely irrelevant as to its authenticity as a document and nevertheless the Poznan Speeches prove that the term Final Solution was a euphemism for extermination not deportation, it provides no evidence that it was "not in line with normal German administrative procedure," whatsoever, as to the Hoess confession he would have been referring to the limited mass executions in line with the rear actions of the Einsatzgruppen rather than the industrial scale extermination which was initiated after Wannsee; furthermore, Eichmann himself in court authenticated the minutes as authentic:

http://www.ghwk.de/ghwk/engl/texts/eichmanns-testimony.pdf

Yes a non-native German speaker who has been completely debunked:

Holocaust denial
"Ausrottung"

Holocaust deniers have frequently attempted to negate Himmler's speeches as proof of the Holocaust. In particular, where Himmler - in his speech of 4 October 1943 - refers to the "Ausrottung des jüdischen Volkes" (extermination of the Jewish people), they will read the verb ausrotten (literally to "root out", aus = out; rott = root) and its related noun Ausrottung to offer a much more benign interpretation, i.e., Himmler was merely referring to the deportation of Jews and a desire to "root them out", as opposed to their mass destruction.[36]

This claim is considered untenable in both context and translation. The 1972 edition of the Sprach-Brockhaus[disambiguation needed] dictionary defines Ausrottung as "complete annihilation". David Irving, the well known Hitler apologist, considers the usage of this word vitally important and also agrees that the term was referring to eradication. He confirms this in an interview from 2007 when he compares its usage with Goebbels half-word "Ausrott..." during the 'Total War' speech from February 1943.[37]

Ausrotten can mean "to stamp out/to root out", but only figuratively, e.g., in contexts of concepts or ideals.[36] In the context of living things (such as a people or race), ausrotten accordingly means destroying something so that it cannot return.[36] In the subsequent paragraph, Himmler compares his disdain for individuals gaining personally (e.g. stealing) from Jewish victims, and the necessity to prevent this personal gain, to becoming sick and dying "from the same bacillus that we have exterminated" (weil wir den Bazillus ausrotten, an dem Bazillus krank werden und sterben). This use of ausrotten can be read as killing/extermination in the context of living things, since to argue for the deportation of bacteria would make no sense.[36] The reference to a bacillus in this statement is figurative, however, in line with Nazi rhetoric that encouraged dehumanizing concepts of Jews as a pathogen or malignant presence, rather than as a people.

In the "Ausrottung des jüdischen Volkes" paragraph, Himmler says:
Original Translated

...wir hatten die Pflicht unserem Volk gegenüber das zu tun, dieses Volk, das uns umbringen wollte, umzubringen.



...we had the duty to our people to do it, to kill this people who wanted to kill us.

Himmler thus confirms that the context is explicitly physical extermination, since umbringen simply has no meaning other than "to kill".[36] Because of this, critics explain that Holocaust deniers will arbitrarily select words from the dictionary that have nothing to do with the given context, such as cherry-picking the definition for Unkraut (weeds) and erroneously applying it to Volk (people).[36]

In the second speech in Posen, critics point to the fact that he defines the meaning of ausrotten, where the operative word is umbringen.
Original Translated

Es trat an uns die Frage heran: Wie ist es mit den Frauen und Kindern? Ich habe mich entschlossen, auch hier eine ganz klare Lösung zu finden. Ich hielt mich nämlich nicht für berechtigt, die Männer auszurotten- sprich also, umzubringen oder umbringen zu lassen - und die Rächer in Gestalt der Kinder für unsere Söhne und Enkel groß werden zu lassen. Es mußte der schwere Entschluß gefaßt werden, dieses Volk von der Erde verschwinden zu lassen.



We came to the question: How is it with the women and children? I decided to find a clear solution here as well. I did not consider myself justified to exterminate the men - in other words, to kill them or have them killed - and allow the avengers of our sons and grandsons in the form of their children to grow up. The difficult decision had to be taken to make this people disappear from the earth.

Holocaust deniers will also offer erroneous translations of ausrotten by analysing the word's compounds, on the basis that "aus" and "rotten" are cognate with the English "out" and "root". To native German speakers, this is simply wrong.[36] Critics compare this attempted etymological explanation to an attempt to cite the Latin origins of "ex" (out of) and "terminus" (borders) and on that basis, claim that "exterminate" means deportation, which would be equally nonsensical to native English speakers.[36]

Critics point out that German Holocaust deniers do not dare suggest a translation to a German audience where ausrotten does not mean physical extermination,[36] citing instances of German deniers dismissing failed etymological analysis by English speakers by responding to confirm that ausrotten means complete destruction, and material written by German deniers where, in the context of people, ausrotten and vernichten are used synonymously.[38]

Germar Rudolf and Udo Walendy have claimed that the recording of the first speech is a forgery: Himmler's voice was actually that of a 1945 Allied voice imitator.[39] However, other speeches by Himmler were independently recorded in the same written and aural manner. The voice therein is clearly attributable to Himmler, and confirms the detail of the first speech. In addition, the discovery of the second Posen speech in the Koblenz Bundesarchiv rendered allegations of falsification completely irrelevant. Himmler's explicit statements, such as making the decision to make the Jews "disappear from the earth", leave no room for alternative interpretation.[40]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posen_speeches#Holocaust_denial

lol, David Cole who completely recanted all of his holocaust denial as the lies that they were and in antithesis to neo-Nazi conspiracy theorists is alive and well living under the assumed name of David Stein:


This statement is given in an attempt to set the record
straight about my current views regarding the Holocaust and
Holocaust denial. As anyone who follows the subject of
Holocaust denial knows, from 1991 until 1994 I was well
known in the movement as a Jewish Holocaust denier [a
self-described "revisionist"]. For the last three years I
have no longer been associated with this movement, having
realized that I was wrong and that the path I was taking
with my life was self-destructive and hurtful to others. I
have spent the last few years in silence on the subject of
my time with the denial movement, a silence caused mainly by
my shame at what I had done with my life and my desire to
distance myself from that life.

However, in that shame-induced silence, it has now been
brought to my attention that I have not gone as far as I
should have to make a clear and complete public statement in
order to set the record straight as to where I stand.

It is my great hope that this statement accomplishes that
task.

I would like to state for the record that there is no
question in my mind that during the Holocaust of Europe's
Jews during World War Two, the Nazis employed gas chambers
in an attempt to commit genocide against the Jews. At camps
in both Eastern and Western Europe, Jews were murdered in
gas chambers which employed such poison gasses as Zyklon B
and carbon monoxide (in the Auschwitz camp, for example, the
gas chambers used Zyklon B). The evidence for this is
overwhelming and unmistakable.

The Nazis intended to kill all the Jews of Europe, and the
final death toll of this attempted genocide was six million.
This atrocity, unique in its scope and breadth, must never
be forgotten.

During my four years as a denier, I was wracked with
self-hate and loathing, a afact that many of my critics were
quick to point out. Indeed, this self-hatred was obvious to
most, but I was too blind to see it. The hate I had for
myself I took out on my people. I was seduced by
pseudo-historical nonsense and clever-sounding but empty
ideas and catch-phrases. When my eyes were finally opened,
thanks to several good, kind friends who had refused to give
up on me even when I was at my worst, I was horrified at
what I had done. My instinct was to flee and never look
back, but I now understand that I owe it to the people I
wronged to make a forceful repudiation of my earlier views.
I also owe a very large apology, not only to the many people
I enraged, and to the friends and family I hurt, but
especially to the survivors of the Holocaust, who deserve
only our respect and compassion, not re-victimization.

Therefore, to all of the above people, let me offer my most
humble and very, very sincere apology. I am sorry for what I
did, and I am sorry for the hurt I caused.

And just as I must set the record straight concerning my
views, it is also incumbent on me to set the record
straight regarding the video "documentaries" and media
appearances I did from 1991 to 1994. These "documentaries"
are merely videotaped garbage filled with self-hatred and
pseudo-intellectual nonsense. My "media appearances" were
nothing but an embarrassment. My glazed look, specious
reasoning, and talking-in-circles during my talk show
appearances would have hopefully alerted any astute views
that this was a man not in touch with reality.

It has been brought to my attention that Bradley Smith is
still using one of my videos in advertisements he is running
on college campuses. Therefore, I would like to make these
additional points: This video is being advertised without my
consent, and I denouce this video as being without worth.
Bradley Smith is no historian, and denial is no "historical
field." Students on college campuses should look elsewhere
to find out about the Holocaust. To these students I would
say, look to books like Professor Raul Hilberg's
"Destruction of the European Jews," Leni Yahil's "The
Holocaust," and Lucy Dawidowicz's "The War Against the Jews"
for correct information. If your school library doesn't
stock these books, have them order copies. Do not pay any
attention to any "David Cole" videos, except to rightly
denounce them as frauds.

I am thankful for being given the opportunity to make this
statement. This statement is made freely and under no
duress, and is quite willingly, even happily, given to Mr.
Irv Rubin of the Jewish Defense League for the widest
possible distribution. This statement is the most current
and accurate compilation of my views, and it supersedes any
previous writings, videos, or statements. It is my hope that
there will be no more confusion as to where I stand. I thank
you for letting me set the record straight.


[/s] David Cole

Subscribed and sworn to before me on January 5, 1998.

[/Mary Stewart]

[Notary seal]


http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/c/cole.david/cole.recants


Hollywood conservative unmasked as notorious Holocaust revisionist

Republican Party Animals operator David Stein says he is really David Cole, and that he still holds controversial views


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/may/03/david-stein-cole-holocaust-revisionist

 

Yes you are wrong, that was under the initial line of inquiry, upon cross examination the statements which I posted followed that statement which you posted, he was forced to admit under the weight of the evidence that the Jews were singled out for extermination because of their blood as Jews by conversion were allowed to live. The Madagascar plan for deportation was shelved and abandoned following Germany's defeat in the Battle of Britain as they would not have the British Merchant Fleet at their disposal, and after this time deportation to the East became a euphemism for extermination.

 

The Holocaust figures are exagerrated for a plethora of reasons, some legitimate and some less legitimate, but I didn't care to watch any more than 10 minutes. If the guy can't make any really significant points in 12 minutes, I have no reason to watch 3hrs.

The thing with the Holocaust is that people include Jews who died of disease, starvation, and suicide (over 90%) as 'Holocaust victims.' There were millions upon millions who died of disease, starvation and suicide, but the problem with that is just that whenever the Holocaust is mentioned everyone thinks of executions, gas chambers, experiments etc., which were actually pretty rare. There were Germans who committed suicide, but they aren't often counted in the number of casualties killed. There were millions of Germans (millions more Russians) who died of disease or starvation, but we usually separate that figure for obvious reasons. And the reality of war is that when the Germans were strapped for supplies, they wouldn't try to take rations from the soldiers first, but from those in work camps. Most Jews who died did so in the later years, when the Germans had become stretched thin and were low on supplies. Not a huge shocker.

And the other problem is that many of those executed were executed as 'political enemies.' Bonhoeffer was a protestant, blue-eyed, blond-haired Aryan German who was executed as a political prisoner for his relatively quiet opposition to the Nazi party. Yet when a few hundred thousands out of some ten million Jews were executed, that was all for the purposes of extermination? Let's be real: work camps were called work camps because they were about work. Not extermination.

 

with all due respect, you are a junior denialist.

But I must say you do are spanning the breadth of denialist nonsense that spews from such "illuminaries" as Zundel, Cole, Porter.

and CODOH? a most reliable source for bullcrap.

Same crap keeps coming up over and over again by the jew hating nazi apologist holocaust denialists. Same dumb tactics as outlined in the various strategy playbooks one can find at the ususal suspect sites.

Got to admire the persistence if not the disengenuous hatefest.