The "Origin" of Life

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  1. Bishadi

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    gibberish

    nothing said there
    poppy cok

    what's the point of that cut and paste? Is it to prove to yourself that you are just learning what light is?

    the fields are what matters of the wave

    ah dah
     
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    Religious: God did it.

    Scientists: We don't have all the answers but here is what we have learned so far.

    Religious: You don't have ALL the answers so God did it.
     
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    This seems related to Entanglement, which as I have explained before, is the same particle going back and forth into 4D at the slit and out of it at the screen. Its speed while in 4D is the square of the speed of light. That comes out to 6 lightyears a second, which is fast enough to cause the confusing but illusionary appearances of conic flattening back to the slit and a stretching forward to the screen and probably has something to do with the impression that a photon is a particle and a wave at the same time, a square circle. The interference is caused by traveling between 3D and 4D, just as it probably would be caused by the pseudo-scientific "Time Travel."

    By the way, when an electron makes a Quantum Leap to a different shell, it emits a proton. Did the electron have this proton originally? No! Where did it get it? In its travel through 4D, where it was during the leap.
     
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    Theists would answer that God, being omniscient, does have all the answers and until scientists do, they can't beat God. A perfect score is unbeatable, so why try? In fact, God gets over 100%, because man can't tie God either or else man would be God.
     
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    What did God tell you will cure cancer?
     
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    Here is an interesting article (http://www.nature.com/news/how-life-emerged-from-deep-sea-rocks-1.12109) about how life may have started in the rocks of deep sea vents. It seems that the unique chemistry of these rocks and the surrounding water are a natural proton-gradient pump which is the basis of ATP, the powerplant of the cell.

    From the article:

    This would explain why life uses the proton-gradient pump for energy rather than more efficient methods. I wonder why an Intelligent Designer would choose the less efficient way to do something? I guess we just can't know the mind of God.

    You know, after proof reading the above sentence, I am reminded why science trumps religion when it comes to explaining natural phenomena. If every question we have about the world was answered "you can't know the mind of God" or "because God wanted it that way" , we would still be living with medieval technology.
     
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    I am an atheist.
     
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    No...Electrons will emit a PHOTON...NOT...PROTON.

    Just for a Photon....a Quantum Particle/Wave Form to even EXIST...and have Particle/Wave Duality...there must be at a MINIMUM 10 Dimensional States.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Ok. Misread your post.
     
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    Mebbe dis is how life started on earth?...
    :confusion:
    Study: Alkaline Vents Kick-started First Life
    July 31, 2013 > Scientists are one step closer to answering the eternal question of how life began on Earth.
     
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    Typo. Again, it must have picked up the photon while in 4D. No need for any more dimensions than that. All these silly complications are caused by not recognizing 4D in the beginning of the Post Clack era. It's the old epicycle wriggling.

    German scientists were taught strict mindless obedience to their professors. When they got their PhDs, they were allowed to think freely but by that time they were incapable of it. Going from one extreme to another, they could only come up with wild irrationalism.

    Another psychological cause of their failure was unscientific embarrassment. 4D had been proposed a few decades before (Flatland), but because physicists had not yet discovered any phenomena that gave evidence of it, the theory had degenerated into supernaturalism. So they shied away from 4D instead of making the obvious connection to a 4D without poltergeists and magic. They chose the weirdness of a decadent academentia rather than the weirdness of the lowly masses.
     
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    Correct. REAL science is "we don't know how.... it just is"
     
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    What you have posted here is nonsense.

    This is the REALITY.

    In empty space, the photon moves at c (the speed of light) and its energy and momentum are related by E = pc, where p is the magnitude of the momentum vector p. This derives from the following relativistic relation, with m = 0:[15]
    E^{2}=p^{2} c^{2} + m^{2} c^{4}.
    The energy and momentum of a photon depend only on its frequency (ν) or inversely, its wavelength (λ):
    E=\hbar\omega=h\nu=\frac{hc}{\lambda}
    \boldsymbol{p}=\hbar\boldsymbol{k},
    where k is the wave vector (where the wave number k = |k| = 2π/λ), ω = 2πν is the angular frequency, and ħ = h/2π is the reduced Planck constant.[16]
    Since p points in the direction of the photon's propagation, the magnitude of the momentum is
    p=\hbar k=\frac{h\nu}{c}=\frac{h}{\lambda}.

    Now unless you can provide an equation to prove what you have stated and according to the new forum rules I AM CHALLENGING YOU TO DO SO....please remove your post.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    What rules? Science has a rule too; integrity.

    There is no such thing as a perfect vacuum, so there is zero proof of 'c' (speed of light in a vacuum), otherwise prove it? ie... if you cannot create the perfect vacuum, then the claim of 'c' is just a guestimation (it always has been, but the ignorant DO NOT remain honest with themselves)

    crap.......

    ie.... em is the energy itself and you put the momentum as absolute by attaching it to 'c'
     
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    no such thing as an electron without an entangled proton (each are a part of a unit; atom ......... all cases)

    When someone claims that the electron is a unit piece of matter as its own, is ommitting its origin as being relevant, which is stupid.
    quack alert

    that's just garbage

    never has 'another' place (dimension) been proven, ever. It is about as stupid as a 'god' sitting on a thrown pulling strings (get it, sting theory... haha haha ha a ha ha ha)
     
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    Authoritarians should be removed from free discussion. The Internet is a disgrace to the First Amendment. 1984 is arriving a bit late, but certain. I can't fit any equations into your 3D illusion.
     
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    HEY!!!!

    I have no problem whatsoever for a person to post something and then state....THAT IS MY OPINION OR BELIEF.

    But if a person posts something and states....THIS IS A FACT!

    Well then that person should PROVE it is a fact or remove their post or state their post is opinion or belief.

    THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FREE SPEECH!!!!

    This is a PRIVATELY OWNED FORUM and as such can institute certain rules and this one in particular...RULE 7 I believe.....IS A GOOD ONE!!!

    How the HELL can members carry on a reasonable, logical, constructive and mutually beneficial conversation or debate when other members derail the conversation by POSTING NONSENSE!!!???

    I mean if a member is declaring that what they are posting is a FACT....then it should be easy enough to provide a link to a viable and reputable source that will back their assertion that they are posting facts.

    If a member either REFUSES or is UNABLE to provide this kind of PROOF....and other members have provided links to sources that provide proof that what the other member is posting is FALSE.....then that post should be removed or labeled an opinion or belief.

    This is a very REASONABLE, CONSTRUCTIVE and BENEFICIAL RULE that will help the membership as a whole to be able to converse and debate about REALITIES....not some made up CRAP that another members misplaced and ignorant ideological concepts have caused that member to sink so low as to LIE.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    QM is a joke and that is a fact!

    Proof: put on a jacket and that breaks 2LoT, with no uncertainty!
     
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    If quantum mechanics were a "Joke"....one would likely find it funny, as most do not, your comment is not fact. As seems typical you have again represented opinion as fact, and did so in reply to a post exposing this rather unfortunate aspect of your posting style. It is important to note you are at great risk of becoming completely irrelevant as a member here, due to the inability you show to engage in fruitful conversation....let alone debate.
    That you do not care if this happens is relatively clear, that others will no longer care is my point. If you do not wish to be seem as the village idiot...perhaps an evaluation of what you project would be in order.
     
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    You have called the real-world implications of quantum physics nonsensical. What is your objection?
    Quantum mechanics is an incredible theory that explains all sorts of things that couldn’t be explained before, starting with the stability of atoms. But when you accept the weirdness of quantum mechanics [in the macro world], you have to give up the idea of space-time as we know it from Einstein. The greatest weirdness here is that it doesn’t make sense. If you follow the rules, you come up with something that just isn’t right.

    In quantum mechanics an object can exist in many states at once, which sounds crazy. The quantum description of the world seems completely contrary to the world as we experience it.
    It doesn’t make any sense, and there is a simple reason. You see, the mathematics of quantum mechanics has two parts to it. One is the evolution of a quantum system, which is described extremely precisely and accurately by the Schrödinger equation. That equation tells you this: If you know what the state of the system is now, you can calculate what it will be doing 10 minutes from now. However, there is the second part of quantum mechanics—the thing that happens when you want to make a measurement. Instead of getting a single answer, you use the equation to work out the probabilities of certain outcomes. The results don’t say, “This is what the world is doing.” Instead, they just describe the probability of its doing any one thing. The equation should describe the world in a completely deterministic way, but it doesn’t


    http://discovermagazine.com/2009/se...sics-is-wrong-string-theory-quantum-mechanics


    any one that is honest and actually does or has worked the math (theorem), will ALL make similar comments.

    The problem is few are both; that honest and have actually done the work.
     
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    And does this imaginary creature's domain shrink as human knowledge expands?
    For example, at one time HE was responsible for everything, now we have a natural process to explain evolution, so HE is limited to the spark of life and the thing that caused the Big Bang. He is shrinking and the limit of his existence, zero unexplained phenomena may never be reached, but it will be approached.
    Certainly we have eliminated the Bible, Koran, etc as divinely inspired, and properly reclassified them as mythology.
    So what is left for God?
     
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    I don't know, ask a theist. I quit believing in Santa Claus when I was 7 years old.
     
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    "It couldn't be a conscious act as if done by the guided hand of a creator. No, no, it must be random and magical...... except, of course, not magical because magic would be supernatural........ crap! Somebody go get Richard Dawkins. This is getting harder to explain without God."
     
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    In a limited mind, lacking the ability to grasp possibility it would certainly be a difficult concept to imagine...let alone comprehend. To some however, it opens doors, and allows the human imagination to wonder about....creating even more possibilities, we generally refer to this as growth. The lack of this ability corresponds to stagnation, and limits one to dwelling in ignorance.

    Many prefer not to stay there.
     

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