Fast Food workers declare minimum wage "unlivable"

F it.... Lets join the leftys.

Lets give em 30 dollars an hour, and when a big mac costs $26.50 all the mcdonalds will close, and all those unskilled burger flippers can cry about it in the unemployment line.

 

Did I say that? Are you trying to report me based on your lies?

 

I have no problem with anyone praying or practicing religion peacefully. I am not anti-religious. However, I am against puritinical types who think they possess the moral authority to harass, kidnap, and imprison drug users and sex workers. Jesus never appointed himself the morality police, so I'm not sure where these so-called "Christians" get off with their prohibitionist schemes. Jesus didn't go around initiating violence against drug addicts or prostititutes, as far as I'm aware.

 

What do you mean? Is there some law or rule against having a political view? Last time I checked this was a POLITICAL forum.

I was talking about WORTH. Look it up. This administration wants to ADD debt to the already 16 TRILLION. The conservatives see that as exacerbating the problem. Since the House is Republican and the Senate is Democrat, it is up to the President to work toward a bipartisan solution but, he is just promoting his own liberal-Democrat agenda instead of representing ALL the people.

I addressed his comments one by one regarding the subject at hand. Where have I ignored any facts? Be specific please.

Statements such as: "IRRELEVANT garbage" and "I've had my fill of stupidity and dishonesty for the day." and "No I'm not mad, I'm disgusted. I'm disgusted that our country has became a place where people are devoid of even a bit of common sense" are just argumentative, inflammatory and useless.

 

It's all B.S.....This is nothing more than a union bid to takeover the fast food industry. You can tell by all the main stream media articles claiming it is not. The unions have already driven manufacturing off shore, now I guess their next target is fast food.

Imagine a burger cooked in China then shipped to the local McDonalds 1-person ($15 per hour) 'mini-kiosk' worker where it gets nuked and you pay $26.50?

 

Maybe. McDonald's is already experimenting with passing drive through speakers to call centers in India to reduce the man hours needed to manage drive through windows.

Personally though, I think it's automation that's going to replace 90% of the jobs in the fast food industry. Touch panel order screens and robotic food preparation are already being implemented and a jump in minimum wage is just the thing we need to tilt restaurant owners into changing over.

The good news is working in fast food will no longer be a minimum wage job, the employees left who will be servicing 10-15 restaurants a week will be making good money and have good benefits. The bad news is no one currently employed in the industry is likely to have the skills needed to keep their job.


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So, if a job is a job, are you saying that the fry guy at you local McDonald's jump is worth the same wage as the brain surgeon in the local hospital?

 

Wow.

Just wow.

Talk about correlation not equaling causation.

Try to skew facts all you want, holding down a job doesn't guarantee you anything other than what the market says your labor is worth.

 

Give Obamacare a few years... you might be surprised.



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No, that's not what I'm saying at all.

In fact, I clearly compared it to other unskilled jobs across the world, ones we often condemn as "sweat shops".

 

It means that the "in-crowd" are from the right.

Okay, so you agree that it should be higher.

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Okay, you understand the problem but your side does not want to do anything about our economic problems and helping people have a better living.

So you believe all the propaganda junk. How do you find a solution with the other side refuses to negotiate? Did Obama bring up new calculations for SS, did he talk about lower corporate tax rates, did he propose spending cuts, did he propose compromises on gun control, did he try to get grand bargains, etc? What has the right offered other than "do it my way"?

You ignored his comment about caring for people, second time.

So you want to avoid that I said that you are ignoring what the left is saying and go off complaining about another poster. THAT IS PAR FOR THE COURSE.

 

That is your opinion based on nothing but you can't get your head around that workers can strike for more. It has to be some conspiracy. You can not ship fast food jobs overseas. And, if you want to close fast food shops, there are many entrepreneurs waiting to take their place.

First, why would the price go up if China cooked it? Did McDonald raise the price to $26.50 because they know that they will sell less. Imagine it not making money when the guy down the street will do it for less and it would be fresher.

I know illogical when I see it.

 

Of course not. Why does the right make ridiculous statements? It must be their weak arguments.

You think some people's life is only worth $7.25. The society says otherwise. It is about who should pay that person is worth. The taxpayers or Big Business. Costco, Big Lots pay more than Wal-Mart. Of course they are not as big as Wal-Mart because it wants taxpayers to pick up the slack. And people defend McD's and Wal-Mart. Are they out of their minds?

 

Serves 'em right for voting DemocRAT.

Want to see wages rise in the US? END corporate taxation. END capital gains taxation. END the illegal importation of illegal alien invader criminals. END onerous pointless regulation.

RESTORE American's their the freedoms.

But ONLY if you want to be free. If you want to be a slave, quit whining about the minimum wage, slaves always get just a pittance.

 

Hey liberals. You want a thriving middle class, which might lift you into it ? Then stop electing these anti-business jackasses like Obama. In the meantime, all the boy-wonder has accomplished as POTUS is to increase the wealth gap, and expand the welfare rolls by 50%. That's really working out for you, isn't it ?

Otherwise, I hope every person who called in sick, etc, in this protest, gets fired. I'd fire you. Then I'd put someone in the position who realized that they had to earn advancement. God knows I've fired 20-30 liberals in my lifetime.

 

"Fast Food Forward" was organized by progressive groups: NY Communities for Change, Jobs with Justice, Action Now. The SEIU (Service Employees International Union). The AFL CIO has heralded FFF as well. Don't tell me my opinion is based on nothing. One has to be an complete fool not to see what's going on here.

Here....http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...rs-strike-for-higher-wages-in-u-s-cities.html

I don't think you do because the whole premise that any entity or government should control wages is illogical.

 

Poppycock, you obviously don't know much about labor law and organizing. Its not a bid to take over the fast food industry; rather its a desire by workers for rights and fairness in the workplace. Let's see how successful the fast food industry is in shipping the jobs overseas. Contrary to what the naysayers in here say, its not going to happen. If your going to sell fast food here, someone has to prepare it and collect the money for it. Not gonna happen the way the anti-worker posters in this board want.

 

Wasn't intentional - I always use percentages when comparing groups of different size. Gives a more realistic picture. But alright, 3.8 million are currently on minimum wage then.

My point was, teenagers are significantly over-represented, because adults tend to move onto more productive work with the experience gained. Hence 25% of teenagers 899,000) are on minimum wage, but only 3% of adults (3,829,000). The adult figure includes the teenage figure.

The effect of the minimum wage is vastly overestimated. One thing's for certain - raise it to $10.50 and some proportion of those 45 million (citation?) will go unemployed as their labor isn't worth such a price.

Think of it this way: if you raised the price of all American private jets from $7 million to $10.5 million, the rich would clearly have enough money to pay for this, just like the rich would have enough money to pay $10.50 an hour. That's not the point. There's international competition afoot. Will they buy the $10.5 million American jet, or the $7 million foreign jet?

Furthermore, given a private jet is estimated to get a company $9 million in revenue, will they ever buy a private jet for $10.5 million, regardless of cheaper competition? Surely they'd take the next best alternative of severing ties with their American distributor (ie: the worker) and sending their clients through first class, or otherwise hiring a private jet.

Think what you like of the attitude, but corporations view workers like they view private jets: they're just there to bring the greatest net profit.

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Labor laws like the minimum wage necessarily make a country less competitive, and are the primary reason why most American (and Australian) low skilled jobs have gone overseas. It's also the primary reason why we "need" most social safety nets in the first place. By taking away a worker's choice to work for whatever wage he likes we've placed too many more in poverty than need to be. We then spend billions trying to help them, which is extracted from tax and makes us further less competitive. It's a cycle.

Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime.

 

I get it, you think it is a good thing for organized unions to take over fast food labor. I am not convinced when I look at what the UAW did to Detroit.

The United Auto Workers union, having looted and stripped Detroit bare, have set their sights south, to the right-to-work states and the foreign-owned auto plants they host.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspi...ing-stripped-detroit-bare-looks-to-the-south/

 

How about $9.28? Is that reasonable?

 

Can't live on $7.25 an hour? Die then.

 

You have no idea what the organizations NY Communities, Jobs with Justice and Action Now do. All three stand up for workers. SEIU and AFL-CIO are members of JwJ along with many grassroot, community groups. Who is trying to form the union - SEIU, AFL-CIO, Teamsters, CWO, Hotel Workers, etc? Just because workers unite to fight injustices does not mean that it is because some union wants to organize fast food workers but, if after they win their fight, the fast food workers can decide if they want a union.

Sorry, when workers fight for their rights, all workers join in. Sorry, if that bothers you. I think you will be seeing more of that in the future. Workers are fed up with being screwed. Many unions may develop.

What is so horrible about fast food workers forming a union? You make it sound like they have no right to do it.

But workers fighting for their rights has nothing to do with joining a union. That should be decided by those workers.

Why does everything you say is about defending Big Business and not caring about workers? Some day look at it from their side.

Didn't reply to my comment about your illogical scenario. What entity or government is controlling wages. Does not compute.

 

Minimum wage is an unliveable wage.

 

by "wreck" i mean i could easily surpass your weekly pay. and the reason i dont work 40 hours per week by one employer is simply because i got it where i work smart and not hard. Im very comfy doing what im doing because i easily live off it and i got my stash put aside. Took me a lot of hard work to be able to do what i do and to get to this point so im simply enjoying it. My employers, being friends that own their own businesses can very well pay me as much as i turn out. I make money for them, bring them business and get them paid so they would gladly pay me. I work off commission basically and i do my job very well, whether it be repairing motors and transmissions, selling products at a farmers market or getting people into the club and keeping a cool atmosphere and making sure the "trash" gets taken out....im on it. I work hard very hard for those limited hours and i simply get paid for it. Simple as that. But yeah if i wanted to honestly put a full 40 hour work week into my friends auto business he sure as hell wouldnt mind considering what i put out in the time im there. The other 2 jobs, they are just fun for me because i like to socialize lol.

well i like 65' Shelby Cobras but i know what i can and cant afford lol. and dont even get me started of new and used because frankly id rather have a used honda over a brand new chevy any day. I have bought many used vehicles in my day and they are no different than a new vehicle these days. In fact i have only bought 3 cars out of the 9 i have owned brand new. Trust me, i know vehicles and this is one conversation you will most definitely lose lol.

 

Spoken like a true rightie. Helping even 40 million of Americans "isn't worth it". Why do respected entities say it will help 45 million? Just for the fun of it?

Yes, jets and burgers are handle the same way. Given that a raise to $10.50 will add pennies to products and help 45 million Americans - of course, the right thinks that is wrong. See fast food business can not go overseas for workers to flop the burgers down the street. Do you want to give the same ridiculous scenario as RPA1?

BTW, look up $10.50 minimum wage and find the 45 million yourself. Can't you guys do anything yourselves? Get out of the right wing bubble once in a while.

Where did you get that? From right wing propaganda? Really get out of the bubble. Businesses has used that excuse for their greed. When will we be competitive with Third world wages. Don't tell me. I already know what Big Business thinks. Our workers has increase their productivity but business still want them to take less wages. We had competed with other countries until Big Business realized that shipping costs have gone down enough that they could make their products overseas. We do not have Big Business American companies. We now have Big Business International companies. That is the real problem and the right would rather blame workers and Democrats than find solutions to that problem.

Good god that is twisted logic. We need social safety nets because Big Business does not pay workers enough. Pay them a living wages and the cost of safety nets will go down.

That is just cruel thinking. When was the last time 80% of Americans had a choice. They are told what they will be paid. We use to negotiate our pay with management. Only a very few, special workers get to do that today. Oh, except unions - they still get to negotiate for their workers. You know, those bad government unions that private sector workers are jealous about. And those nasty private sector unions who get more for their workers and who are hated by Big Business.

You really are not thinking through the real problems. You only work in your bubble.