So you think homosexuality is a choice?

Whats so unbelievable? I don't doubt that if a woman, on a drunken night, 20 years his jr, helped him rediscover his heterosexuality, he could then again embrace his heterosexual orientation.

 

Oh... that's ALL it is. (And here I was thinking it was a far more complex issue.) Golly!! LOL!!!

Science has done a good job of 'measuring' the likelihood of that which you suggest. Please, take a look at what we already know.

Your friend has been on the DOWN-LOW since you've known him; that is likely the case.

Or at least, that's what he remembers or made up.

Is this really the kind of thing which informs your understanding of human sexuality overall??!! If so, you really do need to STOP talking about it.

 

Aren't we arguing in circles? Are we covering new territory other than the revelation that sec (Martin?) is heterosexual by choice despite much evidence that there is a genetic component to sexual preference?

 

I certainly hope that homosexuality is biological, so that one day we will be able to completely eradicate homosexuality through chemical means.

 

You bring up an excellent point and one reason why, in the past, the Gay community itself advocated that being homosexual was choice.

With the increased knowledge of genetics, it won't be long before parents will be able to have "designer" children. For a price, of course. Even though there isn't a "gay gene" (or a "straight gene") there are several suspected related genes. It isn't unreasonable to think that most potential parents would want a straight child and select for genes that make their child attractive, intelligent, healthy and straight.

 

And gay people would choose to have gay kids.

But I don't think people will have any choice in these matters. The legendary sheeple will finally come to exist, designed by the government. Can't have people being unhappy and unhealthy when we can do something about it, after all....

 

Not necessarily. There are other problems and issues involved, but, yes, it's a possibility.

I see the world a lot more brightly and our government not as malicious nor competent than yourself.

Hanlon's Razor is very applicable where our government is concerned:

"Do not attribute to villainy which is simply the result of stupidity."

 

and when "the gay gene" is brought into discussion, a natural course is

A: would parents then choose to have straight children?

b: would the injection of "the straight gene" into a homosexual be allowed?

C: would the gay movement be outraged and lobby against both? ( the gay lobby is big money for some)

D: Would the pro-life people be licking their chops because if homosexuals got "boutique babies" outlawed, then abortion should also be outlawed.

I would say that it is not in the interest of leftists to try and discover "the gay gene"

 

One thing is very clear, in my view... homosexuality and homosexual surely don't deserve all the negative attention foisted upon them.

The persecution is surely getting 'old'.

 

When I hear of young homosexual males who are effeminate and an 11 on the gaydar scale who cry and pray at night for God to make them "normal" because they can't change themselves, despite trying really hard to get the 'straight' kids at school to stop beating them up, I know that one can't change one's sexuality.

 

interesting. I will not even dispute that perhaps that might occur. What I will dispute is the frequency that homosexuals want us to believe that it occurs

Here's a newsflash, a wussy is going to get his butt kicked when they are young. It doesn't matter if the kid goes the homosexual or heterosexual path when they become sexually active. You can try all the anti bullying TV ads, bring in celebrities etc, it's still going to occur.

As a parent, either teach the kid self defense or teach them how to endure it. I was fat as a kid. I was the brunt of much abuse until I decided that I was going to turn the tables. It's quite simple, even if a group wants to attack you, you simply state that maybe you will get beat, but you're going to hurt several along the way, and then make your move.

Again, I do not see the anecdotal "stories" to be as pervasive as are implied within this subsection; but then again, most of the hysteria by homosexuals is based upon falsehoods anyway, but we need to be sensitive for what might be, not what is.

my rights end at the tip of my nose. Your rights end at the tip of your fist. That does not change regardless of what you do in your bedroom

 

Then you must not have a problem with transgendered people identifying as a gender that is different from their sex.

 

they can think what ever they wish. My children believed themselves to be frogs, dogs, monkeys and more. It did not make them a frog/monkey/dog etc

now, if I tried to have someone treat my child as a dog, then I would be imposing my will upon him/her which infringes upon their rights unless they wanted to treat them as a dog of their own free will.

 

Great reductio ad absurdum.

Since your world is so simple, what would one fill in on a certificate of live birth under "race of father" if one's father is half white and half black? Or, a true hermaphrodite? Again, those boxes that people are forced to fill out don't always apply.

 

despite what my children believed, they weren't really frogs stuck in a human's body. Someone had to be the adult and treat them as a child, not a frog. I would not allow them to sleep at the edge of our pond or to eat flies.

I understand what you were attempting but as I've stated to others before you, those tricks don't work on me. I am confident that the frustration that you now express within your posts is the direct result of that realization. But, I give you credit for at least trying the obligatory spin.

 

In other words, you can't answer my questions.

Regardless, the questions still stand:

1) Which "Sex" box should a hermaphrodite check?
2) Which "Race" box should person who is half black and half white check?

 

He keeps comparing sexuality to people believing they're frogs and thinks it's the same thing.

You really expect an answer from such a person? Do you really expect this person to argue from a rational point of view? If you do, you're wasting your time.

 

LOL. Good point. I thought that my question was basic enough to show that the world isn't so simple. I guess simple is as simple does, though.

 

It would so appear.

 

That only part of the evidence. This thread, and others on the subject, have posted numerous links that sexual preference isn't a matter of choice like which car to buy or what television show to watch, but, like "proving" Evolution, the anti-gay equivalent of Creationists continue to cry that there is no "proof" therefore their own ideas are equal to the scientific evidence on the subject.

Arguing with a person who won't change their mind is a waste of time. What is't a waste of time is to present a coherent and cogent argument on a subject and let the dozens or more lurkers and undecided make up their own minds. In the case of homosexuality, the American public has made up their mind that gays deserve the same rights as any other citizen. No more, no less. Whether or not it's a choice isn't a matter of law, but science and (or versus) religion....and bigotry, of course.

 

Thank you. I need to remember that these homophobes are radicals who represent only a small fraction of US citizens.

 

Homophobes, along with other bigots, definitely exist. From a psychological point of view, bigots are interesting. Most are bigots (and bullies) simply because they have deep-seated self-esteem issues. They figure beating someone else down is a way to lift themselves up. Pretty sad.

In the case of homophobes (and a few other psych issues), it's not uncommon for their hatred to be fed by self-loathing of their own latent homosexual feelings.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=homophobes-might-be-hidden-homosexuals

Fortunately, more and more Americans are recognizing that bigotry is not sufficient reason to deprive others of their rights.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1651/gay-lesbian-rights.aspx

 

nice oration however the topic of the thread is

"so you think homosexuality is a choice"

I believe the topic is clear cut enough and easy to remain on topic. My answer is; yes I do

 

if a serious question was asked then an answer would be given

penis=male
vagina = female

maybe that will help

 

Thanks!

The world has only people with penises and people with vaginas. I am so glad we've go that cleared up. Now, about those inconvenient people without a penis or vagina...