‘Medicare for All’ would cover everyone, save billions in first year: new study

The problem with Obamacare is right now according to the 2011 IRS tables there was 120 million wage and salary workers. According to the Bureau of statistics on the number of people that have Medicare, Medicaid, and Veterans' insurance is approx 120 million people. In 2014 they will enroll approx 7 million into Medicaid even though approx 34 million would have qualified if all states expanded Medicaid. The majority that will qualify for subsidies is approx 15 million in the exchange.

This is going to hurt those 120 million tax payers since they will have to pay for an additional 23 million above the 120 million they currently support. This is not sustainable no matter how the numbers are rearranged.

 

People on Medicare and Medicaid, tend to OVERUSE their services, with the elderly and immigrants showing up at EMERGENCY ROOMS for common colds, and, in the case of the elderly, for "aches and pains".

We cannot afford to have the rest of the nation doing the same; we cannot afford those who do so NOW.

 

So let's go to Medicare for All. You are on a thread talking about Medicare for All. Care to comment?

 

Of course, you have no proof of that. Surprise, the sickest do get care more often. Love the touch about immigrants. Your arguments always need bad guys even to try to argue your point.

Guess what, Canadians see their doctor more but still cost less than our patients.

Ho, hum. "Overuse", "Shortages", "Lower quality" - only opinions. Pro Medicare for All have all the good facts on our side.

 

Where would the savings be? I agree that you would realize savings by reducing care. Pain meds instead of hip replacements. Warehousing older people instead of giving them proper care as older people are not as 'useful' to society. So where would the savings be absent denying or lessening care? I guess you could nationalize the doctors and pay them substandard rates. Unless the cost of medicine is reduced, and I do not mean denying care to save a buck, there is no model that saves money. The best thing anyone can do is take care of themselves the best they can in order to hopefully avoid the doctors office.

 

Like Universal Health Care in England?

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University professor, 37, dies from lung cancer after string of doctors dismissed symptoms as 'anxiety and depression'

Premature twins died after being given 10 times too much morphine, nursing tribunal hears

Failings in NHS cost 30,000 lives every year

Inspections highlight 'barbaric' home care failings

NHS watchdog to tackle malnutrition in hospitals

Elderly warned of growing isolation as face-to-face care cut

Family of RAF's finest who shot V1 rockets out the sky forced to sell medals to pay for care home

Closing the Independent Living Fund shows how low the government will go

Elderly patients diagnosed with 'acopia' - a disease that does not exist

Mid-Staffs scandal: Sir David Nicholson could face corporate manslaughter and misconduct charges

Growing fears of Bolton hospital death rate 'cover up'

Patients 'are still in danger from nurses who can't speak English' say MPs, as they call for urgent action

Older diabetics are suffering 'needless' amputations and blindness because they get the worst care

Pensioner placed on Liverpool Care Pathway WITHOUT family's permission dies after spending eight days without food or water

‘Basic errors in care cause kidney deaths’

Choosing a GP means gambling with your life – this must stop

Seventeen NHS hospitals have dangerously low numbers of nurses

Hospital patients won’t complain for fear of retribution

New avoidable-deaths scandal to put more pressure on NHS chief

Nurse linked to the death of premature twins killed by '10 times too much morphine' is allowed to keep working

NHS neglect: elderly patients ‘denied help with food’

Hip fracture patients suffering 'indefensible postcode lottery'

Snap inspections expose scandal of 'institutionalised abuse' in care homes and hospitals

Children's lives are being put at risk by a 'chronic shortage' of hospital doctors on weekends and evenings

Hospital that left patients lying in soiled sheets and shivering with cold is given a stark warning to improve by health watchdog

Mother-of-three dies of meningitis just five days after being admitted to hospital with EARACHE

A&E patients being forced to wait in ambulances for up to eight hours because of lack of beds


An unprecedented crisis is approaching, say the health service’s most senior figures

 

Like Universal Health Care in England?

Dementia victims 'have twice the risk of dying in hospital while a third are not properly diagnosed by staff'

University professor, 37, dies from lung cancer after string of doctors dismissed symptoms as 'anxiety and depression'

Premature twins died after being given 10 times too much morphine, nursing tribunal hears

Failings in NHS cost 30,000 lives every year

Inspections highlight 'barbaric' home care failings

NHS watchdog to tackle malnutrition in hospitals

Elderly warned of growing isolation as face-to-face care cut

Family of RAF's finest who shot V1 rockets out the sky forced to sell medals to pay for care home

Closing the Independent Living Fund shows how low the government will go

Elderly patients diagnosed with 'acopia' - a disease that does not exist

Mid-Staffs scandal: Sir David Nicholson could face corporate manslaughter and misconduct charges

Growing fears of Bolton hospital death rate 'cover up'

Patients 'are still in danger from nurses who can't speak English' say MPs, as they call for urgent action

Older diabetics are suffering 'needless' amputations and blindness because they get the worst care

Pensioner placed on Liverpool Care Pathway WITHOUT family's permission dies after spending eight days without food or water

‘Basic errors in care cause kidney deaths’

Choosing a GP means gambling with your life – this must stop

Seventeen NHS hospitals have dangerously low numbers of nurses

Hospital patients won’t complain for fear of retribution

New avoidable-deaths scandal to put more pressure on NHS chief

Nurse linked to the death of premature twins killed by '10 times too much morphine' is allowed to keep working

NHS neglect: elderly patients ‘denied help with food’

Hip fracture patients suffering 'indefensible postcode lottery'

Snap inspections expose scandal of 'institutionalised abuse' in care homes and hospitals

Children's lives are being put at risk by a 'chronic shortage' of hospital doctors on weekends and evenings

Hospital that left patients lying in soiled sheets and shivering with cold is given a stark warning to improve by health watchdog

Mother-of-three dies of meningitis just five days after being admitted to hospital with EARACHE

A&E patients being forced to wait in ambulances for up to eight hours because of lack of beds


An unprecedented crisis is approaching, say the health service’s most senior figures

 

$600 to $800 billion in overhead. Less paperwork, less clerks.

 

No. Like the Canadian system with more doctors visits, longer lives and lower infancy deaths. At 2/3rds the cost per patient.

 

What I just said does support the need for a single payer system

 

Are you saying because it is a government run system is why these people suffered? I seriously doubt that Americans would tolerate this kind of abuse.

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Are you saying because it is a government run system is why these people suffered? I seriously doubt that Americans would tolerate this kind of abuse.

 

Peabody doesn't have point of reference. He has never had access to government run universal healthcare. The only point of reference he has is from right wing British rags which support the current government who are doing everything in their power to dismantle the NHS.

How about exhibiting a bit of balance Mr Peabody? Give a voice to those 100,000s of people daily (yes daily worldwide) who see their doctors, spend time in hospitals, get treated, then go home satisfied.

Of course you won't, it just doesn't suit your objective.

 

Yes I am. But hey it's cheaper.

 

You'll need to ask the families of the 30,000 dead folks every year from the “shocking underperformance” by health services. They just may see things different.

That comes out to $23,200 for a family of four.

 

No facts. Just an opinion and talking about Britain. Give us something from Canada and I will disprove your comments.

 

Care to ask the 45,000 families every year in the U S?

U S spends $8,233 per capita, Australia spends $3,670 per capita. Family of 4 - U S $32,932 Austr $14,680

http://newshour.s3.amazonaws.com/photos/2012/10/02/US_spends_much_more_on_health_than_what_might_be_expected_1_slideshow.jpg

Comparisons are better arguments.

 

And America spends about 17% of it's GDP on healthcare, while Australia spends about 8% of it's GDP. And America has the highest rate of medical bankruptcy in the world. Blimey Charlie, what's going on over there?

Expenditure per capita. look where America sits compared to other developed countries.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_exp_per_cap_cur_us-expenditure-per-capita-current-us

Here's a good one. Hospital beds per 1000 people. America sits 81st right up there with Samoa and 3rd world countries like the Congo Republic (actually Congo sits higher)

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_hos_bed_per_1000_peo-beds-per-1-000-people

And how many Americans die each year from medical "mistakes"? The figure I read was around 100,000, give or take. You'll need to ask those families.

It gets worse. Here's the saddest of the lot, child medical maltreatment deaths. Don't you love your children in the US?

2.2 deaths per 100,000, equal first with Mexico.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_chi_mal_dea-health-child-maltreatment-deaths

Also the US sits quite poorly on infant mortality rates tables. A child has a better chance to live to the age of 12 months in New Caledonia and Slovenia than it does in the US.

Hey,, shall we talk about life expectancy?

If I was going to get sick, I'd rather get sick in Australia (even Thailand) than America.

America, land of the free. As long as you don't get sick.