A local debate sprang up in a my town...

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  1. Wizard From Oz

    Wizard From Oz Banned at Members Request

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    I dont think anyone is disagreeing with you. More musing if there was any sort of possible reason for the woman to be there. So far everyone's smelling the same rat you are :)
     
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    As usual, the Republicans are wrong.
     
  3. savage-republican

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    As usual someone is lying here. Its another fake story from a liberal who wants to believe in fairy tails.
     
  4. smallblue

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    Why the hell would a local town stipulate a person be a natural born US citizen to hold local office?
     
  5. DentalFloss

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    It's cut and dried, as long as his parents did the paperwork correctly. I am a naturally born US Citizen, even though I was born in Germany. But, I was born to 2 US Citizens, and they filed paperwork with the embassy that got me paperwork that said I was a citizen born abroad. Only in the event that his parents screwed up the paperwork is this even up for debate, and even that is a technicality. Children of US Citizens ARE US Citizens, no matter where the birth occurred.
     
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    That's a good point. If this town allowed McCain on the ballot in 2008, then they have to let this person on the ballot now.
     
  7. nom de plume

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    What difference does it make?
     
  8. Casper

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    Really, got proof?
     
  9. savage-republican

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    I do not need proof, the burden of proof is on the person who started the thread, as there has been no forth coming links to proof, no verifiable names and towns associated with the story, and since many people have already proven that the story at face value is untrue, I think I am able to than say the story is B.S.
     
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    YOU made a statement yet cannot back it up with any proof when asked, very enlightening.
     
  11. Curmudgeon

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    He is quite correct. He is by law, a natural born citizen.
     
  12. Johnny-C

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    Yep. I've been a military guy for the last 30 years. You are correct.
     
  13. savage-republican

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    I called out the story as B.S., I do not believe the person who started this thread can prove one word of what they say. It is not my burden to prove anything. I am saying that it is purely a partisan attack thread. They are trying to equate some made up story about a local election to the birthers who go after Obama. They specifically call out republicans as the instigators, and personally this whole story smells.

    So I have turned in the thread on the basis that the person who started the thread can not prove what they claim and we will see who is right.
     
  14. perdidochas

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    I think he should be able to run. He was born an American to an American. Link to a news article?
     
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    Actually, I think Daggdad is spinning a tale.
     
  16. AlphaOmega

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    What do you mean by "local republicans"? Are they organized? do they hold office? what are their names? can we look them up?
     
  17. Daggdag

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    Actually, it's in the US Code. Diplomats who have children overseas while on official duty automatically get natural citizenship for their kids. The issue is whether or not soldiers get it too.

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    Actually, it's in the US Code. Diplomats who have children overseas while on official duty automatically get natural citizenship for their kids. The issue is whether or not soldiers get it too.
     
  18. Daggdag

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    She was not a soldier, but a civilian contractor who was working with the military. I was mistaken on the OP. I was made away of the mistake and am correcting it now. The reason she was not sent home is because she chose to stay and work until late in the third trimester, when it was unsafe for her to travel. Apparently, he is claiming that the child of a worker contracted by the US government gets the same automatic naturalization as diplomats and soldiers. I was not really paying attention when I heard about it, and thought that her working with the military meant she was a soldier.
     
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    Then it will likely be something that would have to be settled by your state courts if they were to win. Clearly he is a US citizen if both his parents were or one of his parents was and he lived in the US at least 5 years before he turned 14. As far as I know the meaning of Natural Born has never been well defined in the context of those scenarios and the US Constitution, at least as far as the President goes. There are some statutes that would seem to indicate at the federal level the Congress considers US bases and Diplomatic installations US soil as far as citizenship go. I am not clear how the certificate of foreign birth issued by a US Consulate plays into the processing but apparently it does.

    Indiana is a limited Dillon Rule state as it applies to towns. Is this a Town or a City? (I always call my city a town even though it is a city for instance) If it is a town, they may not have the legal authority to enact such a statute if the state did not specifically grant them that authority.
     
  20. Daggdag

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    Him being a citizen is not in question, but our town requires that all elected officials be natural born Americans, no immigrant can run for office. The children of US soldiers, and diplomats who are born outside the US while their parents are on official duty are given natural citizens even though they were not born in the US. The dabate is over whether or not this goes for civilian contractor who are doing official work for the government overseas.
     
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    I say it should. She was there because her country needed her there. Women should know they can work where the government tells them they are needed and not worry about their children losing the privileges they would born with if she stayed home and smoked meth instead.
     
  22. RightToLife

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    I will not give my opinion on this matter as it is an obvious fairy tale no female soldier was out and about in operation desert storm while expecting child. are you trying to insult our intelligence?
     
  23. tomfoo13ry

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    I'd like to see a source for this story. Smells fishy. Very fishy.
     
  24. Draco

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    Oh it's definitely a lie.

    A friend I grew up with in high school is an engineer contracted over seas for the military, still civilian.

    They had a kid about two weeks ago, Facebook baby pics incoming!!!

    His kid is a citizen.

    This thread is a lie.

    Close please.
     
  25. leftysergeant

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    This has utterly nothing to do with facts which operate in this time/space continuum.
     

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