So...Why are U.S. Conservatives supporting the Liberals in Egypt?

And there you have it and directly from the Horse's Beh...er...mouth itself, the only real reason Conservatives have had for doing anything at all since 2008, Obama Derangement Syndrome, otherwise known as "No N*****s in the White House" disease.

These guys would spend trillions and waste American lives for no other reason than to make Obama look bad, even when they themselves see no good reason for America to get involved. Isn't it amazing how some people's racism trumps even the good of the very country they live in? and then they call Liberals unpatriotic.

 

I can tell ya, they ain't supportin' no Nubians.

 

I think the military is very forgiving and forgetful.

Forgiving because when dealing with counter insurgency operations, you ultimately have to sit down and deal with the same guys who were shooting at you and your buddies to try to work out an arrangement.

And forgetful because the military has some unfinished business with Hezbollah, which bombed or barracks in Beirut in 1983, and I don't think they've paid for that yet. I've not forgotten but it seems like the US military has.

 

Every time I think of that debacle in Beirut I get an upset stomach.

The IDIOCY of placing all our guy's in that building is quite possibly one of the single most stupid Politically Driven mistake I can think of...because we were all SCREAMING not to do it!

If you know anything about what happened at the time and after...and this is in no particular order....we had a Battleship off the coast of Lebanon absolutely DESTROYING both Syrian and Hezbollah encampments by way of lobbing Car Sized Explosive Shells out of the main guns of the New Jersey fired almost 300 shells at Druze and Shi'ite positions in the hills overlooking Beirut.Some 30 of these massive projectiles rained down on a Syrian command post in the Bekaa Valley east of Beirut, killing the general commanding Syrian forces in Lebanon.

AboveAlpha

 

You're working from a false premise. The Muslim Brotherhood are the liberal reformers. Just look at who is supporting the al-Sissi dictatorship- the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, a repressive hotbed of Wahabi extremisim, the elite royalty of the UAE and Kuwait, and the Israeli theocracy. The US State Dept propaganda machine and it's water boy, the Associated Press, have been painting the MB as "Islamists" implying radical theocrats, which is nonsense, and you seem to have either been drinking this Kool-Aid or are selling it.

 

If the policy is as you said, then we can't make certain anything with Syria other than that the resulting government will appeal to the military industrial complex.

The only thing certain, at this point, seems to be that American interests failing to win in Syria would be better for the Syrian people.

The same goes for quite a bit of the neighboring region.

 

You have no idea what you are talking about.

The very first thing that Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood did was to seize control of almost all TV, Radio and Newspapers in order to only allow Pro-Brotherhood Propaganda to be broadcast and written.

Then they started a Failed Attempt to replace all High Ranking Egyptian Military Leaders with Muslim Brotherhood members.

Then they started violating and changing the Egyptian Constitution as they intended to create a strict Islamic State.

AboveAlpha

 

The rest of your post is more of the same complicating factors. However remember that this nation has had DECADES to fix these complicating factors, and the rich and powerful haven't. Nor will they as long as they don't have to. Death, destruction, and degradation of anyone but THEIR friends and family isn't part of their definition of "have to". How little you understand the specificity of Petite Bourgeoisie morality. The rich and powerful really don't subscribe to it as 47% Romney demonstrated, but they sure want us to. If we didn't they'd have to watch their back every time they got out of their armored limos.

It is a 'Catch 22' situation. Or to be more precise it's a Gordian knot. There is one very efficient way to deal with a knot that is too complex to untie. Cut it with a knife. Or it will get cut by someone else. I don't want our nation to be in the way of that knife.

 

Thanks for being a voice of reason here. There is a lot of disinformation being smeared around by certain CIA trolls here.

 

I have found during my over 3 decades of experiences that it is better for a person to work within the system than to attempt to fight that system and then be caste out...which at that point no longer allows that person any ability to effect change.

The issues and realities are much more complex than you think and the system has developed a life of it's own and exists far beyond simple rich or poor and right or wrong.

AboveAlpha

 

What he has posted here is a complete falsehood.

I will tell you what....why don't you take a trip to Egypt and take a ride to the outskirts of Cairo where lives in the dirt many poor Egyptians who on occasion are visited by members of the Muslim Brotherhood who throw them a few bucks in order to buy votes.

Take a Bible and a Western Dressed Girlfriend with you...and then you can experience just how LIBERAL such Muslim Brotherhood and their supporters can be.

AboveAlpha

 

Well, the conservatives are muslims....We don't like Muslims...get over that. We never really support muslims except as a stabilizing force until we can replace them, duh!

 

No it's absolutely true. The burden of proof is on you. Post links to credible sources to demonstrate your claims. And make sure they justify the 1000+ murders, shut down of news outlets, arrest of opposition leaders, and abrogation of democratic law by the military. I'll let you go to Egypt. I don't want to go there nor do I want my country spending my taxes to kill people or support tyranny there.

 

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Petite Bourgeoisie morality indeed.

 

I have posted about this issue in depth on another topic specific to Egypt.

You are saying that Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood are Liberal Reformers.

Now a Liberal Reformer in Egypt would be classified as a person or group that supports Democracy and supports greater freedoms for both men and women as forcing a woman to cover her body with a Burka or cover her face with a scarf is NOT a LIBERAL agenda.

I have no idea where you are getting the idea that the Muslim Brotherhood is liberal in any possible way.

Again...you have no idea what you are talking about.

AboveAlpha

 

There is no doubt about it

Mohammed Morsi was Egypt's first democratically elected terrorist

 

Sour grapes.

 

Nope. I'm saying they have the right to rule per the Egyptian constitution. They won the election. Any deposition of their rule other than election must be done per the constitution. That's how democracy works. The overthrow did not use the procedure in the constitution. I guess you don't believe in democracy when your side loses. Maybe you should move to Sudan or Afghanistan. That's how it works there.

 

So, overthrowing the democratically-elected government, in this special, complex case, is working within the system. Okay.

 

If the sheep elect wolves to be their shepherd, should the shepherd let the wolf take over the flock?

 

Well Duuuuh! The Egyptian people are people not sheep and the members of the Muslim brotherhood are people not wolves. And who elected the military to be shepherd? God? Shepherds eat sheep too you know, just not all at once! Giving people the right to make stupid decisions is part of democracy. A well written constitution allows for corrections. I have never heard any rumors that the Muslim Brotherhood or Morsi were cannibals. If you've got one post a link.

 

He was freely elected, but the policies he pursued were counter to liberty (which, IMHO is more important than democracy). Morsi had granted himself unlimited powers to govern the country. Yes, he later gave back those powers, but the fact of his thinking he had the right to take them is enough.

 

Sooooo...when are you going to back the State militia overthrow of the political criminal Rick Scott? Are you giving support for the overthrow of the arch enemies of liberty Rick Schneider, Pat McCrory, Scott Walker, Rick Perry and their legislative henchmen? Or is your loyalty to liberty only for people you like? Hypocrisy rears it's ugly head.

I guess you don't have to worry about Robert McDonnell since he'll be in prison soon.
http://www.citizensforethics.org/page/-/PDFs/Reports/CREW_Worst_Governors_in_America_fullreport.pdf?nocdn=1

 

Democracy is simply the will of the mob or herd.
And since ancient Greece, the rich hire people to get the herd to vote "correctly" to plunder some "minority".
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The 10 Commandments are the basic Constitution of Civilized Society where a Man has the right to his property and life, is free of false testimony, and can safely depend on society upholding those rights always.
The word civilization comes from sword-village meaning a village where a man is protected by the sword from unlawful swords.

Hence these prinicples are worthy of being supported regardless of the passions and lusts of some gang of people to violate these principles against any man that upholds these principles and rights.

The American Revolution was ostensibly in support of the Rights of Man outlined by Moses.
In Massachusetts, the Men attempted to regulate their "public servants" who were violating & rebelling against the basic Law of America.
But, certain forces organized a mercenary army to kill the Shay Regulators and label them rebels.
Then, the US Constitution was designed to prevent any more Regulators and overthrow the 10 Commandments in the name of honoring them. Hopefully we will see the Greater Constitution that over-rides our puny little constitutions.

In the case of Egypt, from what I've been able to see, it looks like good Men in the Egyptian Military decided to honor Egypt's real civilization and Constitution in the tradition of the Prophet Joseph to overthrow the plundering priests and free the people from their depradations.

Scene from THE PROPHET JOSEPH,
http://www.shiatv.net/view_video.php?viewkey=5770e1dc3ef156762cec

 

HooooBoy! The cat's been in the yarn with you hasn't it? Time for your medication.