So...Why are U.S. Conservatives supporting the Liberals in Egypt?

If Morsi had power to govern the country, how was he oeverthrown?
If the Egpytian generals are pro-liberty, why are they being supported by the absolute monarchy of Saudi Arabia, the emirate of Kuwait, and the UAE (United Arab Emirates including Abu Dhabi and Dubai) all of which are exploited by elite royal families that don't even know the meaning of liberty?

 

Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood were changing or breaking the laws of the Egyptian Constitution.

Now unfortunately the Egyptian Constitution did not include a mechanism to remove Leaders who broke the Laws of the Constitution and because of this the Egyptian Military had to step in and Remove Morsi.

AboveAlpha

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Look at my reply to Zootie.

AboveAlpha

 

Obama has been accused by many of violating alsmost all of the US Constitution, but no one is suggesting that the generals take over. The idea in a democracy is to wait until the next election. No? At least that's what they told me in grade school.

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I agree that Egyptian's look like Hick's because they were not smart enough to put a mechanism to remove a leader who did not follow their constitution into their own Constitution.

We KNEW even before Morsi was elected that Morsi would be elected....the Muslim Brotherhood would be controlling Morsi....both Morsi and the M.B. would attempt to remove the High Ranking Egyptian Military Leadership and replace them with Muslim Brotherhood members....that the Muslim Brotherhood would seize all News and Media TV, Radio and Newspapers....that the Muslim Brotherhood would have Morsi break the Laws of the Egyptian Constitution as they intended to create a strict Islamic State of Egypt under Sharia Law....and we also KNEW....that Morsi would be thrown out of office by the Egyptian Military.

CENTCOM....SPELLED IT OUT FOR THE EGYPTIAN MILITARY LIAISON'S IN TAMPA FLORIDA BEFORE THE ELECTION!!!!

The rest is history.

AboveAlpha

 

That is total hogwash! Why are you lying about something so obvious. Do you think people won't check?

From the Egyptian Constitution-Article 159:
Accusing the President of the Republic of high treason or committing a criminal offense or influence peddling or violation of the Constitution is based on a proposal signed by at least third of the members of the House of Representatives and the decision of indictment cannot be issued except by the majority of two thirds of the House. Once the decision is issued the President shall be suspended from work. The indictment decision is considered, until a ruling is issued, a prohibition preventing the President temporarily from practicing his powers in accordance with the provisions of Article 7 of the constitution.

The President shall be tried before a special court headed by head of the Supreme Constitutional Court and the membership of the Heads the Court of Cassation, the State Council and the Courts of Appeal in Cairo and Alexandria. The Attorney General shall be the prosecution.

The law shall regulate the proceedings and determines the sentence. If the court rules of his conviction he shall be relieved from his post, without prejudice to other penalties which are provided by law.
http://www.acus.org/egyptsource/unofficial-english-translation-egypts-draft-constitution
Apparently in the updated verstion that becomes Article 152
http://niviensaleh.info/constitution-egypt-2012-translation/

 

This is what the 2012 Egyptian Constitution states...

Article 159
The Government has the following responsibilities:

Together with the President of the Republic, it draws up the state’s public policy and supervises its implementation.
It directs the work of the ministries, and of organizations that are affiliated with them, and it coordinates among them.
It prepares bills and motions.
It issues administrative decrees in accordance with the law and monitors their execution.
It prepares the general budget of the state.
It prepares the general plan of the state.
It contracts loans and grants in accordance with the provisions of the Constitution.
It pursues the execution of the law, preserves national security, and protects the rights of the citizens and the interests of the state.

LINK..http://niviensaleh.info/constitution-egypt-2012-translation/

AboveAlpha.

 

This is 152...

Article 152
The President of the Republic is impeached for felony or high treason if at least a third of the members of the House of Representatives sponsor a motion of impeachment, and the House passes the motion with a two-thirds majority.

As soon as the impeachment is in effect, the President of the Republic stops all work. This stoppage is treated as the result of a temporary hindrance that prevents the President of the Republic from assuming his responsibilities. It ends once the verdict is announced.

The President of the Republic is to be tried before a special tribunal headed by the President of the High Council of Judges and staffed by the senior deputies of the President of the High Constitutional Court and the State Council, and the two most senior presidents of the appeals courts. The Public Prosecutor assumes the role of prosecutor. If the most senior person is unable to play his part, the person next in seniority takes his place.

The law specifies the procedures of the trial as well as the sentence. If found guilty, the President of the Republic is relieved of his duties. This does not preclude additional penalties.

Now since the words....impeached for felony or high treason....were not SPECIFICALLY SPELLED OUT as to their applied meaning....what Morsi had done was not specifically covered by such wording.

AboveAlpha

 

Women's liberationist Emma Goldman said "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." This is what what happened in Egypt, and voting for a leader is also illegal in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and the UAE, run by repressive royal elites which fear the reformist Muslim Brotherhood and are supporting the Egyptian military with big bucks. And the US Military-Industrial-Congressional elite, the only people in the US who benefit from Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace, are also supporting the generals. Is this not true? Yes or no? Then we can talk about CENTCOM and AIPAC.

 

What do you want me to say? That there are not some people making money on wars? Of course there are.

The issue is more complex than just that.

We have an overall plan that has been specifically designed to benefit the U.S. and the U.S. Economy...all other considerations are secondary.

AboveAlpha

 

Since you're up on things, what is your overall plan for the people of Syria? "Shock and Awe" like Iraq with bombers and cruise missiles, destroying infrastructure, etc, but without the carpet-bombing and ground troops of Vietnam?

 

Hey....I am not the one that makes the plans.

I am offered from time to time specific...JOBS...which I can either accept or refuse...since I have earned this..."Latitude"..after 3 decades of work.

Syria is all about Natural Gas and Chemical Weapons use.

I personally hate the damn area but if Assad has been determined to have used Chemical Weapons...there will be a 12 Hour Air War to destroy 99% of all Assad's aircraft.

AboveAlpha

 

Because the U.S. conservatives are against Islamists of any kind, plain and simple. God bless America!

 

Unlike in Syria and Iran, Christians and Jews are not allowed to practice their religions openily in Saudi Arabia where Ultra-Orthodox Wahhabi Islam is the predominant relgion, and most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis. Are conservatives against Islamists of that kind? If conservatives are motivated by being against Islamists plain and simple, why not bomb Saudi Arabia fisrt?

 

Probably later, who knows.

 

Do you think that Bibi Netanyahu's Ultra-Orthodox Jewish Likud party zealots are as fanatically religious as Saudi Arabia's Wahhabists?

 

Do you think you know what you are talking about ?

 

I don't know. It seems to me that the Ultra-Orthodox Jews are just as relgiious as the Ultra-Orthodox Wahhabi Muslims. What is your opinion?

 

Jews Ultra orthodox are not political at all, they have no agenda other than worship God in the holy places,on paper at least they dont even mind if its in an Arab country, most of them dont recognize the state of Israel because they think only the Messiah can re-buid the Jewish state, when you hear about them rioting its because some offense of Jewish holy rules like driving a car in thier neighborhood during Saturday etc', other than that, those that did went for politics only aim to keep their traditional way of life. in my view they live in Israel just like they lived during the exile years, closed communitty with their own laws. however that will change in time as we can already see.

 

This Wikipedia article agrees with you. The Likud Party seems more nationalistic and Zionist-expanisionist than it does religious. The last sentence says that many Orthodox Jews feel most comfortable within the Likud Party, but does not mention the Ultra-Orthodox, so I stand corrected.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likud

 

Gilos...come on.

Look....I have had to take care of business that involved Ultra-Orthodox Wahhabi Muslims and although I and my team are good at this...I certainly don't enjoy it.

But even though I have had to deal with such Scum Bags doesn't mean I will just ignore the FACTS and the facts are I have also had to deal with issues involving...Ultra-Orthodox Jews as well.

Now such Jews have never attempted to attack either me or my team as the Muslims have but I have had to place my team and myself between such Jews and other groups to prevent attacks.

And Ultra-Orthodox Jews are VERY MUCH SO INVOLVED IN POLITICS.

I try not to take sides but I will say this....the entire Israeli/Arab issue must be resolved in order to eliminate Arab and Persian hatred toward the U.S. as we back and protect Israel.

A time...VERY SOON...is coming where the United States might find itself in a position to FORCE PEACE between all sides and this would happen if the U.S. incurred another 9/11 style attack GOD forbid.

I have seen with my own eyes a few Contingency Plans and Battle Scenarios as well as Political Initiatives and Realignments that would occur shortly after such a terrorist attack....and I think all sides should PRAY TO GOD....such an attack never happens because the resulting U.S. Military Response would be so violent and be an action of such complexity and such a high level of catastrophic destructive Military Power that it will both boggle the mind and sicken the stomach.

The World as we currently know it would be changed forever and in the moments after 9/11 when the U.S. almost went momentarily insane as a much larger invasion plan was considered...but the smaller plan was implemented...just IMAGINE what the people of the United States and it's Leadership and Military would be ready, able and capable of exacting should say...a Dirty Bomb or Chemical Weapon kill thousands of Americans?

I will tell you what would happen and could happen as I know about such things and plans.

This is the order it would be done.

If it was Radiological or Biological....and a Country was found to be responsible for either perpetrating the act....knowing about it and not informing us....allowing the Terrorist Group to operate in their Country....this is what we would do...

If it was a country that did it....we would strike that country with 3 Tactical Nuclear Weapons....2 targeting the main military concentrations in that country and the 3rd targeting the area where the terrorist group was based city or not.

If it was Nuclear or Biological and it became an issue and spread to kill tens of thousands a 4th and 5th Strategic Nuclear Weapon....{Strategic Nukes have much a much greater yield...500 Kiloton-1 or 3 Megatons....compared to a 50 to 100 Kiloton yield Tactical Nuke....Hiroshima was only 15 Kilotons with a 2.5 Mile inner blast radius and had everything in over a 4 mile radius on fire compared to a 1 Megaton Thermonuclear Bomb which has an inner blast radius of 15 Miles and because this is a Fusion device and not a Fission like Hiroshima would obtain Higher than Solar Core Temps.and have a 200 Mile Radius where everything in it would be ablaze.}

A...Forgive the Term....Final Solution Plan to eliminate Islamic Extremism once and for all would be enacted.

The United States would increase it's Military by over 3 Million Troops...bringing the total number of U.S. Troops to over 5 Million. 5 Million is small in comparison to the 20 Million Troops serving in the U.S. Military during WWII.

An U.S. Invasion force would completely seize the Non-Radioactive areas of the Middle East.

Iran would be give ONE CHANCE AND OPTION....either allow U.S. Forces to seize all Iranian Nuclear Sites peacefully by being invited and allowed into such Iranian Sites....or the United States would launch a full scale invasion of Iran.

Saudi Arabia would completely be under U.S. Military Control and the Saudi Royal Family would be removed from power. All Madrassas would be banned and Mecca would be closed off to visitors for 5 years.

Israel would become home to the new U.S. Central Commands Forward Headquarters and the Palestinians would be given ONE CHANCE AND OPTION...to be apart of a U.S. FORCED PEACE PLAN....where both Israel and Palestine would become 2 States that were now a part of the United States Territorial Protectorate.

Any dissension or refusal to comply would result in Forced Compliance my Military Force.

Syria would also be given ONE CHANCE AND OPTION...that is to either peacefully allow the U.S. Military entry into Syria and cooperate with the U.S. Military to remove, dissolve and if necessary destroy any and all considered Terrorist Groups and Iranian Qud's Force operating in Syria.

If Syria refused...a full Military Invasion of Syria would commence. Syria would not have the capability to do much in the way of resisting such an invasion so it is thought Syria will comply.

Now...you have to understand that the ONLY way such things would happen is IF some major Terrorist Attack was incurred on the U.S. Mainland....but there are plans for slightly smaller military responses should such an attack occur to U.S. Forces or Allies.

Rest assured....the ENTIRE MIDDLE EAST and that includes Israel....would become United States Territorial Protectorates....so everyone should hope this does not happen.

AboveAlpha

 

No.....I think you are talking about National religious, the ppl that live in the West Bank mainly, Orthodox are, or in fact WERE in the gov for many years but they only cared for their own communitties, they supported the party the paid them/assured their funds basiclly thou historcally they went right but only because the left wanted more liberal laws that was against their own agenda- not because of land.

About peace solution, if you are optimistic, sure why not, Israel US and some allies can discuss the borders and make one sided moves and that will be the end of it, but dont think it will be the end of the feud or Iran hatred.

 

If you don't know...I ended up being stuck in this area for two months the last time I was there and I only went because I owe a friend and he asked me so I had to go.

Now....contrary to what most people think or believe...all sides talk to us and they not only want to talk but they ask for appointments and times of meetings where either it will be just one side or group complaining about the other side or on occasion it will be several groups or perhaps the main opposing sides meeting with ME acting as Ref, Organizer, Babysitter, Mommie and occasionally...Security Blanket.

Since all sides are getting U.S. Aid...or are getting Aid from other countries including Iran...which they know if we wanted to we could shut such Aid down as it is entirely within our capability to create so much havoc, issues and Banking confusion that any side would have to spend a few years getting things straightened out before they would even be allowed to use an ATM Card to buy a pack of Gum.

Now...the Orthodox Jews are a SERIOUS PAIN IN THE ASS on occasion and their actions in areas were large scale settlements have been built only causes me to get Grey Hair.

Now...I have to constantly remind certain sides that they are LUCKY that I am even talking about this issue because as far as I am concerned...they attacked....they lost....thus they are S@#!^%$!

Unfortunately when I am asked to go there by my Friend...and by the way...he asked me again so I will be around the region by Sat...messing up my whole Labor Day Weekend....I have to follow certain orders as this is not a typical JOB....that I would either take or refuse on MY terms...as I have to follow the terms of others...to a point...because this is a FAVOR.

So....please...don't tell me about things that I have very close and direct experiences in.

They are political...they are on occasion violent....and they are almost always a serious Pain in my Ass!

AboveAlpha

 

Then you are talking about Jerusalem I suppose? that's the only place I can think of where Orthodox can cause problems that may concern the US, they can be a pain in the ass at times, chances are we wont get an agreemnet on Jerusalem with the Palestinians anyway, from what I gathered, if they want a piece of it the conditions would be Israelis on Palestinian borders, we dont want those MB, Jihadis and other garbage in Jerusalem but that would mean Palestine wont be a real free state so they wil refuse, If they do want a totally free state with full control over their borders then it would be seperated compleatly from Israel, no sharing of cities. that's how I see it.

 

They do have a tendency to place themselves directly in the path of various plans.

AboveAlpha