what if Obama procedes without congress

I am way ahead of the game here but hypothetically lets say congress votes no on the syrian innovation then Obama decides to attack anyway can and should he be impeached I say yes and yes

 

The war powers act gives him the right to use the military how he sees fit for 90 days. Unless there's something I'm missing, he can do it. Should he, no. It's political suicide. Will he if that's the case? I'm guessing no, but time will tell.

 

And if the new Godzilla film has Rodan in it, will you still go see it?

 

Oh yes. It's about time.

 

I agree. Obama was smart saying he'd put it in Congress's hands. If it goes bad, he can say Congress has to take part of the blame by voting for it. If he does it on his own, they will say he is as bad as Bush.

 

Good question

First I think you are talking about the war powers resolution and.
As discussed in my last thread the war powers act does not apply hear. The resolution does give him the ability to act but he has to get congressional approval within 60 days or he must pull out and he has a 30 day withdraw period. And he can only act in the event of a national emergence. If congress disapproves before his actions he does not have the power to ignore congresses decision for 90 days.

The war in syria is not a national emergency so he can not act and in congress will vote and if they vote no he by law cant do anything but he has expressed that he feels he has the power to bypass congress in this one (which he does not) and he has shown that he may do just that.

so in this case no he does not have 90 days

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Well as much as I dont like bush he did get approval from congress

 

Not saying its an entirely stupid question just perhaps not thoroughly thought through. Our American diets of bud light and big macs will do that to you.

Obama declared to have the authority to act without congress, because he decided. But since it is our system he will abide by it and ask congress. He wants you to know however that he is throwing you a bone and by the time you are finished enjoying it he will have his arm 3/4 of the way up your yeeeehawwww..


Thanks obama!!! You will ask our representatives because you are feeling particularly kind? Awww arent you sweet.

 

Pretty much this. Congress will see which way public opinion is blowing

 

I think it's interesting that the right wing pundits (one in particular here locally), spent all week preceding Obama's announcement on Friday, railing that Obama has "no business" being involved, blah, blah, when it looked like a strike was imminent. This past weekend, he railed against him for NOT going ahead with the strike. Do these folks not realize everybody sees that no matter what decisions he makes, the right will badger him regardless? Doesn't matter at all what decision he actually comes to. It will always be wrong, no matter what. I knew these kooks were obstructionists. I just didn't really think they could stoop this low. God, I despise the right.

 

I believe you are incorrect on the war powers resolution and constitution.
In 2007 Obama and Biden seem to agree with me not sure what changed.

Regarding the OP. The only way I see Obama acting without congress would be a Clinton like attack after the senate votes but before the house decides if they believe the vote will fail. If Obama wanted to act alone he would have. He would not have been impeached over it and surely not convicted by the senate. Without a international coalition he must have felt the need for a united look from congress and I believe he will get it.

 

We do what ol' Joe suggested in 2007, we impeach him. Joe Biden was very specific when he made the speech about getting approval from Congress before striking an attack. Obama has backed down from his first "red line" plan just recently when he was going to attack Syria with without Congressional approval. He met with Senator's McCain and Lindsey today before Congress convenes this month.

I think Obama has no idea what he was about to cause if he had ordered the war ships to send missiles into Syria. First of all, Russia is an ally to Syria and Israel could of suffered attacks from possibly Iran. Obama is weak in foreign policy and even Kerry was concerned, although he flip flops just like the POTUS.

I say we stay the hell out of Syria's business. Let them fight their own war.

 

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About the war powers resolution it has no barring on the situation as I said earlier

 

Yes. If Congress turns him down and he goes in anyway, I will support his immediate impeachment.

 

No, it absolutely does not.

The wording of the War Powers Resolution is very clear: "defense of the United States".

Going into Syria is not defense of the United States.

It may be defense of US "interests", but that is something entirely different, and it's specifically not authorized in the War Powers Resolution.

 

Your missing a lot! There has to be a clear an present danger to our nation, what is that exactly with Syria?

 

We started their "war" so it makes sense that we finish it. Back to reality folks: Without our active covert involvement (funding, training, weapons etc) these FSA clowns would have been a rebellious faction squashed a long time ago..

 

Obama will not. He just voted 'Present' on Friday.

 

In answer to the OP: I wouldn't at all be suprised that the "peace-award" winning president renegades on his promises and the principles his voters thought he had.

not at all.

 

Agreed. Bush in the end though got Congress on board, albeit it was a GOP controlled one. It's just more ammunition for him though. If the GOP doesn't vote for it, then he's going to make it partisan by citing Bush, if it does, well it doesn't help the GOP's image.

 

Easy excuse right here. Syria has chemical weapons, AQ is there and it's only a matter of time before they get there hands on them. We've fallen for worse in the past. Obama studied law, he could easily make an excuse up. Add the pundits and political parties, it could easily pass.

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They will. Problem is, will they really care?

 

He's a politican. He can get away with whatever he wants, so long as his spin team is working just fine.

 

What defines "defense of the US"? Wouldn't defending US allies also go to that as well? If the US loses allies, then can lose support in case we need it. Syrian forces have been attacked by Israeli forces. They might want retaliation.

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AQ getting its hands on Syrian chemical weapons.

 

The President has the authority to send a limited number of troops for a specific amount of time, which I believe is 90 days, without congressional approval. After that. congress must declare war, or the troops are recalled.

 

Hitting Assad's forces will only help that. AQ is fighting on the side of the Syrian Rebels.

In Syria, America Loses if Either Side Wins