Congress may vote ‘No’ on Syria attack

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  1. Stuart Wolfe

    Stuart Wolfe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Magic 8-Ball says "yes"

    The search function. Awesome invention. Have you had enough yet?

    Like I said, I wasn't talking to you but rather Bishadi when you posted those gems. So all I'm asking is: make up your mind. I've posted you joining a conversation you weren't a part of, AND posted how you complain that someone else joined a conversation you weren't a part of. Pick one tactic you wish to follow and stick with it.
     
  2. Jiyuu-Freedom

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    Obama is only trying to save face and I think it's despicable. He made the statement about drawing a red line if the Syrian government used chemical weapons/warfare on it's people. He talks about 400 people being gassed and many were children. He even admits he was elected not to go to war. Yet, he has back peddled on the red line saying it was Congress who drew it.

    Has he lost his mind? First, he says he will attack Syria without Congressional approval. He goes to the G summit and Putnam put him in his place. No one is backing him, not even his party. The French were in and now they are backing out.

    Obama is not going to take Assad down. If Obama makes a statement we all know we are going to war. Hell, no one who can tell who the enemy is over there anyway. We need to stay out of it or Obama needs to give back his Nobel Peace prize. Obama's credibility is not a reason to go to war.
     
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    Stuart Wolfe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    At this point, I can't think of a single correct thing Our Glorious Messiah has done correctly on the issue. I'm sure there has to be ONE thing, if only by accident.

    This is why Chicago politics never works well on the world stage.

    If Our Magnificent god-King wants to, Assad would be radioactive dust. The only thing he hasn't figured out yet is who to blame. When that happens, Syria is eating nuclear particles.

    Didn't they give him the Peace Prize based on what he was going to do as President?

    Therefore, Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize for bombing Syria.

    Never use those two words in the same sentence again!
     
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  5. Jack Napier

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    It's not about Obama. If it seems he is behaving erratically as per the above, if it seems he is out of step with everyone else, it's because he is out of step with everyone else. Everyone except his Jewish handlers and Jewish 'groups'. It is they and only they who want non Jews to murder other non Jews in Syria, so that the terrorist throat cutter cannibals(that have been backed by the US etc since day one), can take charge.
     
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    Holy cow Jack, did you ever go off the deep end with this one. I suppose that using this logic Israel is also responsible for the problems in Tibet for the non Jews wanting to kill the other non Jews. :roflol:
     
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    Was I actually Complaining? Nope and this is getting sillier and sillier and sillier.

    The conversation was about quoting and trying to misrepresent a poster and trying to assassinate a posters character as an argument. I said I wasn't even talking to him within that context.
     
  8. Jack Napier

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    And more of them.

    A more clear distinction in the psyche and objectives of Jews v non Jews cannot be imagined.

    Rabbis urge Congress to back Obama on Syria

    The 17 signers included Rabbi Eric Yoffie, a past president of the Union for Reform Judaism; Rabbi Yosef Blau, the rosh yeshiva at Yeshiva University; leaders of the Conservative movement; and essayists such as Leon Wieseltier and Rabbi Joseph Telushkin.

    They called on Congress “with great urgency to authorize the President to use force in Syria ‘in connection with the use of chemical weapons or other weapons of mass destruction,’ as outlined in his August 31st draft legislation



    http://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/...cle_2755134a-16ee-11e3-8d9c-001a4bcf887a.html
     
  9. allegoricalfact

    allegoricalfact Well-Known Member

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    Hapoalim group, Bank

    Leumi group,

    Discount Bank group

    Mizrahi-Tfahot Bank group.


    Israeli Banks which Vanguard have large holdings in - There is no profit in Syrias State owned Bank for them is there?

    Vanguard also own shares in

    http://www.idt.net/about/press/story.aspx?id=41777

    Genie Energy and our friend Murdock again

    PetoChina

    http://amchron.soundenterprises.net/articles/view/98799

    ( so who is really to blame for Darfur )

    Total number of shares and monetary value Vanguard hold in the military industry.

    The Vanguard Group owns 713,092,152 shares valued at $25,939,062,764.

    Company and worldwide rank Shares Monetary Value
    Halliburton** (not on list) 42,810,848 $1,729,986,367
    Lockheed Martin #1 12,718,720 $1,227,610,854
    Boeing #2 33,607,508 $2,885,204,561
    General Dynamics #4 16,850,193 $1,182,107,108
    Raytheon #5 15,664,626 $920,923,362
    Northrop Grumman #6 11,372,246 $797,763,056
    L-3 Communications #9 6,025,669 $458,597,135
    United Technologies #10 46,229,438 $4,319,216,392
    SAIC #12 18,479,212 $250,393,322
    Huntington #13 3,054,198 $162,880,397
    General Electric #18 480,968,947 $11,120,002,054
    Oshkosh #19 4,459,321 $189,476,549
    Textron #26 19,130,760 $570,287,955
    Alliant TK #37 1,720,466 $124,613,652


    President Obama has assets in Vanguard $100,001 - $250,000 (as of 2006).

    US Secretary of State John Kerry wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, holdings. are estimated at between $184 million and $288 million in 2011.


    and IDT

    http://quotes.wsj.com/IDT/ownership

    and and and

    Obamas worth


    2004
    Net Worth: From $200,004 to $400,000

    2011
    Net Worth: From $2,566,014 to $8,265,000
    Rank: 8th in
    Executive Branch Members


    And with the link above of the companies who Profit from Israelis illegalities we begin see the connection between Israel and the US Gov and Corperate ...........................
     
  10. Jack Napier

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    Despite incredible propaganda, the overwhelming majority of American people do NOT want to see people murdered yet again. How do I know this? Because ALL polls tell me so.

    Despite the incredible propaganda, 80% of British people were against murdering people. How do I know this? Because all polls support me, and what is more, for the first time in over two HUNDRED years, a PM went to Parliment looking for a war mandate ... and lost it.

    Despite the incredible propaganda, around 80% of French people were against murdering people. It initially looked like France would be the patsy the US like to have alongside them, but now it is looking like the French are backing out.

    By now, you should clearly be able to see, despite incredible propaganda, that they have not been successful in their mission to turn people entirely evil. This is encouraging for the future, since it demonstrates beyond all doubt that people are normal, and merely want to leave at peace with one another, British, French, Syrian, American, whosoever they may be. Indeed, I would wager that those %'s I gave before would be near 100% were it not for the incredible propaganda, however the fact our minds are resisting it is a great thing.

    Now this next part is VERY important.

    The ONLY people who, beyond ALL doubt want to see lots of people murdered - Jewry.


    How can we evidence this?

    Well, we can do so by looking at the poll taken in Haretz. Remember those %'s I gave before - two thirds polled there WANTED to see non Jews(be it the US, France or whoever), murder non Jews in Syria. I am not calling it 'war' anymore by the way, I refuse to add an air of credibility to such actions, and prefer to call them what they are - those who want to murder people v those who do not.

    How else can we prove this key and telling difference between the minds of Jews and non Jews?

    Easily. We can look at the fact that ALL Jewish groups collectively came together in the US last week and URGED Congress to rubber stamp this action of getting non Jews to murder non Jews.

    How else can we evidence it? Easily. Jewish AIPAC gave their seal of approval for non Jews to murder non Jews, in Syria.

    From all of this only an idiot would fail to see the CLEAR distinction in the psyche and objectives of the Jewry v the non Jews. Indeed, I cannot think of a time in which the difference has been better and more clearly illustrated.

    No matter what happens now, you should always remember the above. If it goes ahead, and in a month we are all speaking about how bad things are ... remember who conspired for this. Remember those %'s I have given you. Remember whose voices did not want this and those who did. When you see the images of Damascus bombed, and people dying, when it goes on much longer than they want you to think, or when it grows arms and legs.. you will KNOW who to blame. You will know who wanted this.

    It is absolutely crucial that you keep reminding yourself... the past three weeks have PROVEN that non Jews do not want any part of this, while Jews want non Jews to kill non Jews, in Syria.

    It is VITAL that you remember that who these Jewry want to win are the cannibal, heart eating, throat cutting foreign terrorists that are in Syria.

    There can be no denying the facts that I have laid out here.

    There is no denial of the distinctions between ... everyone and them.

    It is no longer just hidden in plain sight.

    It is out there for ALL to see.

    Gentiles do not want any part of this later murder fest to kill more gentiles, while paving the way for cannibals to run riot in Syria, killing both Christians and Muslims alike.

    It is Jewry and ONLY Jewry who want this.

    Not merely those in Israel. Those outwith. It is they and ONLY they who would risk a third World War to further their interests, be that geographical, financial, or ideological.
     
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    I'm pretty sure Congress is going to vote no, based upon polling. It is perfectly acceptable to use poison gas on muslim children.
     
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    The Newspapers and all owned by Murdock and why the propaganda

    http://www.idt.net/about/press/story.aspx?id=41777


    A local subsidiary of the New York-listed company Genie Energy will now have exclusive rights to a 153-square mile radius in the southern part of the Golan Heights.
     
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    My objections invololve the fact that there are NO good guys in Syria. Let them fight it out, let the Arabs police this disaster. Plus I smell a rat that I can not see. In other words, things are not as they appear.
     
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    Propaganda sponges prefer to fall for that particular false narrative, yes.
     
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    An Santa is alive and well living in a shack in Montana.
     
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    Yes, Israelis are begging desperately for us to launch missiles at Syria so that Iran and Syria will lob the poison gas that they crave at them. They've been buying tons of gas masks in hopes of being able to enjoy sitting in taped off, plastic rooms, hanging out in masks with their kids.

    Sounds like loads of fun!
     
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    That may be one component, but it's not the bigger picture.

    There are dictators. They are here. There are terrorists. They are here. They try to make our arguments, and they speak in voices and accents familiar to us. But they are not on our side. They do everything they can to bring terror to the World, and to us. Therefore, they and their 'tribal' brothers place all of our lives at risk.

    This cannot and will not be tolerated. They have gotten away with it for too long, and I want my country back, and I am sure Americans(the normal one's) want their country back as well. The rest of Europe wants their countries back. We DEMAND our countries back, and we DEMAND Gov's that will act for the best interests of the people. We want AND demand Gov's that are honoured by such high office, and who do not dishonour it.

    In their smug and haughty arrogance they think that we cannot start from the top down. And they are right - for now. Therefore, I would suggest starting from the bottom and working up. If I were American(a normal one), I would consider both AIPAC and the ADL to be subversive entities, working for and on behalf of a foreign state to the detriment of my own country. I would regard them as subversive agitators and war mongers for a foreign state. I would consider them promoters and supporters of terrorism, and act in accordance with this.

    The same outlook should be applied to similar org's wherever they may be.

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    Yes.

    That is correct.
     
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    In much the same that England would beg for Russia to bomb the snot out of Ireland so that France would launch a promised poison gas and HE bombardment on London?
     
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    Straw man.

    According to your logic.

    Israel would rather Assad remained in power.

    Israel, by wanting to Assad to remain in power would by definition hope that the foreign insurgents fighting his Gov troops will lose.

    AIPAC have lobbied for the US to strike Syria. Doing this would benefit not the Assad Gov that you are trying to convince me Israel would sooner remained in power, but the foreign insurgents you want me to believe they are opposed to.

    By your logic, AIPAC and other Jewish groups are all calling for and lobbying the exact opposite of what Israel want.

    They polled Israeli's for their thoughts. Two thirds wanted someone else to strike Syria. Remember, doing this would only give the terrorist insurgents the edge.

    In your very mixed up world, Israel want Assad to remain in charge, they do not want Syria to be struck, but two thirds of their people polled do, as do their most powerful lobbying group in all of the US, as do all the other US based Jewish org's, as do the Rabbi's.

    So everyone is against what Israel want. Even Israel.

    :roflol:
     
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    Not at all. If there is a strike, the way things seem to be playing out is that we would launch a 3 day bombardment and smash up all of Assad's toys that he has cleverly hidden in schools and apartments since Arabs think those are the best protections for their assets for some reason, when in actuality, his stuff is still getting blown to bits, as are the schools and apartments. Anyway, after that, the Russians invade and occupy Damascus and soundly thrash all the rebel terrorists and send those that still have arms and legs fleeing back to wherever they came from. Iran would hardly attack Israel with their Russian pals in harm's way.

    Mischief Managed.

    Israel has little to gain although perhaps the Russian occupation of Syria would be preferable to Assad. After all, those people have thousands of years of history as an occupied people and can't seem to behave when not occupied by a foreign power.
     
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    There wasn't any mischief in the first place. Aren't you tired of being intellectually dishonest? Innocent until proven guilty. Russians are not stupid to commit thousands of their fine young men fighting another Afghanistan. They would rather let young Americans die like in Iraq. Maybe that is the master plan, to force U.S. soldiers to occupy Syria and totally collapse the U.S. economy. As for Israel. Nothing happens in the Middle East without Israelis having their fingers in the pie.

    Obama Warned on Syrian Intel

    September 6, 2013


    Exclusive: Despite the Obama administration’s supposedly “high confidence” regarding Syrian government guilt over the Aug. 21 chemical attack near Damascus, a dozen former U.S. military and intelligence officials are telling President Obama that they are picking up information that undercuts the Official Story.



     
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    Okay, so why all the Russian troop ships in the area full of soldiers and APC's? Our missiles aren't getting tired of sitting in a boat in the hot Mediterranean sun, but I'll bet all those soldiers are looking forward to getting some dry land under their feet and kicking some Chechen butt.

    If nothing else, they will enjoy Tartus.
     
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    AIPAC and all Jew organisations and two thirds of Jews in Israel disagree with you.

    Everyone else that is normal disagrees with them wanting gentiles to murder other gentiles.
     
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    I seriously doubt these "lawmakers" will find the stones to vote against Obama and risk being labelled a racist.

    Oh, we've seen it before, budget ceilings and fiscal cliffs, but we all know these boys are playing the game, protecting their own political hides first, foremost and all ways.

    They will attack, it will not be "enough", even stronger measures will be called for and Obama will invade.

    Simple. another conquest for the Nobel prize laureate
     
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    Well, you assume sailors don't like to be at sea....

    And why?

    It is called my dick is bigger than your dick in the schoolyard...in international affairs it is called "gunboat diplomacy". Putin is flashing HIS weenie because Obama flashed his...

    The "mischief" started a long, long time ago. Do you honestly think the CIA hasn't been stirring up crap with the rebels for awhile?

    Putin is just protecting his interests, Obama was the game changer in Syria, not the rebels, not Putin.
     

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