IF abortion became illegal, especially on the premise of fetal personhood

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  1. combat life

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    The major premise of opposition to abortion is "child protection" and if abortion become illegal becasue a fetus will be recognized as a person, thus equating it to a child a lot more considerations will have to enter the equation.
    Among them in the interest of fetal protection, certain behaviors by women would have to be restricted. It is these possible restrictions that I am bringing up here for discussion.
    For instance consumption of alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, certain drugs or medications. Also, physical or risky activities including sports and some work related.
    To what extent should restriction be legally imposed on pregnant women, with what penalties and at who's cost?
     
  2. Unifier

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    You know, none of this stuff would even have to be discussed if more women had better character. Unfortunately, most women today are just trash. There are very few quality women left with any kind of genuine integrity. Too many of them have been poisoned by feminism to believe that murder is sacred. And so now we've got to have all of these ridiculous discussions about implementing new and further over-reaching laws because people can no longer be trusted to simply use common sense and do the right things on their own. There's a reason that John Adams said, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." Because he had the foresight to recognize that when people lost the ability to differentiate between right and wrong, they would cease to be able to sustain themselves as a free people.

    Welcome to now.
     
  3. Cady

    Cady Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As though abortion were a new thing? Women have aborted for as long as there have been unwanted pregnancies.
     
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    Condoning the murder of undeveloped humans in the name of 'women's rights!?!?!7:!' Typical selfish, savage behavior. It's why we cannot have nice things.
     
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    I suppose one could say that, in the same sense that laws against murder of ex utero persons are "people protection".

    An understandable misconception if, as seems likely, the author misapprehends the just purpose of the law as an instrument whereby the irresponsible are constrained by every possible means from acting irresponsibly, thus making them increasingly irresponsible and the government increasingly despotic.
     
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    Calling a woman that has an abortion "trash" is not sexist. From his point of view, anybody, regardless of their gender, that harms an innocent child, is trash. Of course, if a woman that has an abortion realizes afterwards that what she did was wrong, and since I am not a judgmental person, then she's not "trash". Everybody makes mistakes.
     
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    Cady Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If abortion is so evil, why didn't the Bible condemn it?
     
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    "U.S. Abortion Statistics"

    http://www.abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/

    "43% of women obtaining abortions identify themselves as Protestant, and 27% identify themselves as Catholic (AGI)."


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    Maybe you've just been dating the wrong women? But seriously...

    You paint the portrait that women today are trash because of legal abortion, as if having abortion is some modern invention. Ironically, abortion was perfectly legal under John Adam's presidency and the "moral and religious people" you speak of were having abortions at nearly the same rate as modern American women today; 1 out of 4 pregnancies ending in abortion. Even advertisements for abortion services could be found on church bulletin boards during the early America era.Once again, Unifier, I see you are speaking out of ignorance...the native language of the pro-"life" movement.
     
  10. Unifier

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    Ironic indeed. But no less ironic than "all men are created equal" coupled with slavery. Wouldn't you agree?

    Now why don't you go ahead and fetch me some evidence for that 1 in 4 stat, son. Let's not have another thread where you're just talking out of your ass, okay?
     
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    About as ironic as a conservative who desires egalitarianism.

    *Sigh* But is it not always the job of us abortion rights supporters to enlighten the uneducated pro-"life" masses? In James C. Mohr's book Abortion in America: The Origins and Evolution of National Policy, it gives a overview of abortion in early America and it's rate; 1 in 4 pregnancies ended in abortion. Of course, it is probably far beyond your ability to comprehend since it doesn't breathlessly repeat ABORTION IS MURDER! ABORTION BAD! ABORTION IS MURDER!

    LOL! You're projecting, kiddo. I've asked you multiple times to support you accusations and surrender faster than the rifle dropping French do. Please show me any threads where I have never supported my statements when asked?
     
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    Nobody can now deny the element of misogyny among the Right and/or "pro-lifers"...ever.
     
  13. Unifier

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    Wait, wait, wait...... so calling murderers "trash" is hateful and self-centered but murdering for convenience is not?

    I'll save you the trouble. Welcome to the ignore list. You are beyond help.


    ^See? Sam gets it.
     
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    You don't even understand the people you condemn. Nor do you ever make any honest effort to. Because it is more important for you to protect your prejudice against people who are different from you than to actually seek to comprehend a different point of view. You prefer fighting over diplomacy. You prefer judgment over compassion. Your actions are a direct contradiction to everything your words claim to stand for. And if you had a single ounce of introspection, you would see what is obvious to everyone else. But denial is a large part of your belief system. Indeed, it is the very cornerstone. Without it, you'd lose the ability to make sense of the world around you that you currently think you understand. And you wouldn't know how to deal with being wrong. It would collapse your world completely.
     

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