Why is Satan so bad?

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  1. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Hahahahaha, touchie'.
     
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    Felicity Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You fault God for giving people what they choose?

    Satan is a very sad example of great gifts given by God, rejected, warped, and wasted. The "Light Bearer" Lucifer, reduced to the "Father of Lies."
     
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    SpaceCricket79 New Member Past Donor

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    That's assuming that predetermination isn't based off of free will.
     
  4. CKW

    CKW Well-Known Member

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    Satan is pure evil---meaning he has nothing good, joyful, loving, compassionate within him and the same with the demons who are with him. All good comes only from God. Satan is separate from all of it.

    One thing that I notice is that I can tell what is treasured or close to God and what isn't by the way people who don't believe--- react.. They serve as a God gauge. Satan is repulsed by Christ---and people who don't walk in God's light are also repulsed by Christ. Seeing the knee-jerk reactionary hatred towards Jesus Christ simply demonstrates to me that God is very tangible.

    So I don't know the answer of why Satan is on this earth now, but Satan is a sharp contrast to God and perhaps that can be useful.
     
  5. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    God created evil, Isaiah 45:7.

    So no, not all good comes from God. Seems quite a bit of the nasty stuff was not only created, but also planned as a part of the grand scheme!

    Are there any answers that do not render God either too stupid or incompetent to handle creation?
     
  6. CKW

    CKW Well-Known Member

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    Nope. Anything void of God is evil. Its not created---its the absence of God.
     
  7. SpaceCricket79

    SpaceCricket79 New Member Past Donor

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    Why is a mere mortal questioning the limitations of someone's 'omnipotence' which transcends their own a trillion to one? :lol:
     
  8. Greatest I am

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    These say that that title is God's.

    Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
    1Kings 22:23

    Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
    2 Chron 18:22

    Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
    Jer 4:10

    O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. Jer 20:7

    And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
    Ezekiel 14:9

    For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
    Thessalonians 2:11

    To me, God’s worse lie was to Adam and Eve. He told them they could eat of the tree of life and then reneged and in a real sense murdered them by denying them a remedy.


    As to your first, do you really think people are so stupid that they would intentionally choose eternal torture at the hands of your genocidal son murdering God?

    I noticed that you ignored my question of God and justice delayed.

    I guess that you did not like your own answer so decided to deflect to what you answered.

    Hardly honest for a Christian.

    Regards
    DL
     
  9. Greatest I am

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    Yet in the beginning God was all there was until he began creating.

    Why would he create a creature that is pure evil and since everything that is emanated from God, evil must have come out of God. Right?

    Or do you see a co-creator somewhere who created evil.

    If so, then you would have to make that other one the one who wrote the evil half of the tree of evil.

    Answering me should show you how far off base you comment and views are.

    Do try to think with a bit more depth my friend.



    Regards
    DL
     
  10. Greatest I am

    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

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    Is hell a good place and who created it?

    Regards
    DL

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    God cannot even reproduce true and only a fool would say that he is omnipotent when clearly he is not.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    SpaceCricket79 New Member Past Donor

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    Problem is you're defining omnipotence to suit your agenda - if a God created the universe, then he can clearly do anything that a human can - therefore to a human, he is omnipotent - whatever he 'can't do' past the realm of natural law doesn't lesson his omnipotence.

    Not a single critic here could themselves do a single thing, which they're ignorantly demanding "God do" while questioning 'his omnipotence' - it's lame really
     
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    Yes, its a place and God prepared it and no it won't be good.
     
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    CKW Well-Known Member

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    God didn't create evil. Satan was an angel, but Satan turned from God. Free will it seems---isn't just for us. Satan was tossed and God left Satan and anything Godly left Satan which =evil. Personally--I think its a statement that a person can trust and depend on God and that God is good and all good comes from God.

    That is how I see it.
     
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    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

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    So God can create evil and evil places.

    That was easy.
    Do I hear a recant?

    Regards
    DL
     
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    CKW Well-Known Member

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    God created a place and God won't be there. Void of God. Nope. No recant.
     
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    If Satan is God's creation then everything, including evil would have been put in him by God. Right?
    Or can something like evil come from nothing?

    You seem to think that God is Satan's master.

    God says in scripture that Satan moved him to do evil without cause.

    That sounds like Satan is controlling God as he moved God to do evil.

    Some evil must then be in God. Right?

    Regards
    DL
     
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    Perhaps so but you said it will be an evil construct and you said that God does not create those as he has no evil in him. Quite the limitation for an omnipotent God.

    So a place void or God is not evil then?
    Is that your new line.

    Is that right and your original statement was wrong. Right?

    Or are you just too immature to recant gracefully?

    Regards
    DL
     
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    God is in total control. God is Satan's master. Yes...he is allowing Satan to be unleashed. Eventually he will put Satan away but ultimately--will unleash him again. As far as I can tell, Satan is part of the plan.

    And evil is simply total absence of God. So, no--there is no evil in God. All that is good is God and when you take it away--its evil or absent of anything good. . I see it akin to absence of air. When air is vaccumed out of the room--air is not the toxic source of demise.
     
  19. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who knows the heaviest punishment laid on Lucifer ?
    Anyone ?


    Moi :oldman:
     
  20. CKW

    CKW Well-Known Member

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    Hmmmm this post is not making sense. I sense you are desperate. I've been consistent. And that consistancy is:

    Evil is the absence of God. Because all good comes from God. And God is 100% good.
     
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    So your omnipresent God is not omnipresent. Is that your view?

    If God is Satan's master, then how could Satan move God to do evil without cause as scriptures and God admit?

    Regards
    DL

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    Dominion over the earth and the power to deceive us all is what scriptures say God did to Satan but I call those gifts and not punishment.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    Yet the tree of good and evil show that evil and good are inseparable. Yin yang so to speak.

    I think we are close to done child. You are too much of a neophyte for me to bother with.

    You do not know your own garbage theology.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    Not near as lame as saying that one who cannot reproduce is omnipotent.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nope, not exactly. That was just part of the package. The greatest punishment inflicted on Lucifer was:
    I mean the answer is classic.


    I think it will be recognized if not recalled -
    What was the greatest punishment laid on Lucifer ?



    Moi :oldman:
     
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    Children and their games.

    Did I fall into a teen hang out?

    Regards
    DL
     

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