Do I think the GOP is doomed? No, of course not. history repeats itself. that said the GOP will most likely win in the next POTUS election. Is it good or bad Of course its bad as most ever lasting Congressional puke will just be reelected.
As the GOP's TP ruffians and candy-arse establishment elitists slap one another silly, Virginia encapsulates the ineluctable course of the nation.
The GOP will come back and be a player in American politics, but it won't be the party dominated by extremist nut jobs that currently exists. Demographically, that party is as close to nationally unelectable as it can be. And I don't see that changing for 2016 or even 2020. What the GOP needs is to lose it's majority in the House (17 seats away, a 2014 possibility), and to be pommeled in the 2016 elections. This will shift all the "bet on the winner" money over to the Democrats, and essentially defund the Teaparty wing of the party. Because once the Teaparty wing loses influence, the money will come back to the GOP, and they will be competitive, as a moderate, center right party.
Amazing. So the Constitution is not moderate enough anymore. That really says a lot about where we are as a country today, doesn't it?
You could certainly try to make that argument; the question is, how many people would agree with your viewpoint.
Today's GOP is no question fragmented but there is one overriding issue they will all agree upon leading up to the 2016 presidential election and that is to end the Government shift to "Totalitarian Syndicalism" being instituted by the Democratic party, public employees, unions and academia. Clinton will face a mountain of government overreach evidence against this current corrupt system.
The alienated and disgruntled may want to question why congressional republicans want to bloat the federal payroll with 20,000 more border guards at a time illegal immigration has greatly diminished, pretend that union membership and power has not also seriously decreased, and rage against higher education from which their base is seriously estranged, but Americans still don't like them more than they don't like Democratic office holders:
Today's GOP is fragmented, and there is the problem, by the time they select a candidate, he won't even be that popular among the GOP faithful. Because once you select one individual, that individual has a history of being with a particular fragment of the party, which means the other fragments don't feel that enthusiastic about his candidacy. Who do they have that can appeal to a broad section of the middle ? Who do they have that can appeal to minorities? Who do they have who is defined by what he stands for, rather than what he is against? What the party higher ups know, that they don't share with the rank and file, is that ObamaCare isn't going to be a "Train Wreck", it's going to work, people are going to like it, and it's going to be as popular as Social Security and Medicare, it will become the third third rail, that's why they are trying so hard to stop it, because even though it's next to impossible to stop at this point, it will soon become impossible to stop. OTOH, the GOP got the health care plan they proposed, a plan designed by the Heritage Foundation, and it will delay single payer by a decade or so. Now that will be really popular.
No, what people are well aware of is that ObamaCare was designed to fail in order to implement a Single-Payer National Health Plan. The progressives are not fooling anyone. It is a convoluted monstrosity of a bill that was purposely designed to drive all private insurance companies out of business. It will force smaller insurance companies to consolidate with larger companies and those large companies will eventually be cooped into the Federal System and unionized. A freaking nightmare. Once that is accomplished, it will leave everyone with very high "so called" insurance premium payments in place that as we all know is just another tax. The Supreme Court said it was tax. In other words, another grand end-around Congress to implement a new tax on our Countries citizens that nobody wanted. All Conservatives, Republican's, Libertarian's and Independents will be united and "all in" to elect people that will have a laser beam approach to getting rid of ObamaCare.
I can remember just ten years ago that Republicans were talking about a 100-year Republican reich after they had taken the presidency, both houses, and had stacked the Supreme Court. Failure is the great leveler I guess.
ObamaCare won't fail, it will be an improvement on what we had before. It won't be as good as single payer, just like single payer isn't as good as full out government run health care. In 2008, when that congress was elected, 70% of the people wanted something done about health care. So congress did something, and despite the massive propaganda campaign, support for repealing ObamaCare is limited to a small radical fringe. Most Republicans are against the defunding of Obama Care. Defunding ObamaCare polls 50-50 with people who describe themselves as "Conservative Republicans". It's going to happen, and it's going to work better than what we had, and it's not going to be perfect and it's going to need to be tweaked, and it's going to be hard to tweak it, because the GOP would rather see it fail, and they will obstruct anything that they see as making the law better and more popular for a while. At some point, the GOP will reluctantly embrace health care reform, because they will be forced to by the public. The only way you will eliminate the ACA, is to replace it with something better. And if your answer to that is "Anything would be better", you lose. You need a specific piece of legislation, that can get majorities in both houses of congress and get Obama to sign it, unless you want to wait until there is a Republican in the White House, but you'll be on Medicare by then....
Yeah, but the current group won't do that. They believe in unbridled capitalism with a religious ferver. As with religion, there is no room for other points of view, even if those points of view come from Eisenhower and Reagan. In God and Grover we trust.
There is a lemming strain in today's GOP that is alienated from America and has been stampeding off the ideological edge as of late. Willard was not sufficiently rightist for them. McCain was not sufficiently rightist for them. The Bush, his Daddy, and Reagan would not have been sufficiently rightist for them. That largely explains why media personalities and not politicians are their leaders. As Otto von Bismarck opined, politics is the art of the possible; entertainers are not thusly impeded.
Now, that's the sort of nutty conspiracy theory I could hope were true! Willard as a Manchurian candidate insinuating a half-arsed, individually-mandated, universal coverage scheme as a stepping stone to the demonstrably more successful extant plans of advanced nations! Unfortunately, it's factors such as the privateers of the US insurance cartel that want to keep grasping at the $250 billion annual taxpayer subsidy for their group plans under the most expensive system on the planet that compels them to lobby intensely for their very special interests and prevents progress. .
You are making up poll numbers. Every poll ever taken shows that 60 to 70% of Americans have always been against this healthcare monstrosity that no one was ever allowed to read except progressive political operatives. It was designed to fail just like I described. Millions of people will be thrown out of private insurance and into the exchanges or pay the fine. Those that do buy in the exchanges will only do so when they are already sick and hence will overwhelm the system. Insurance companies will fold. Those that pay the fines will after three years or so be paying thousands of dollars extra each year in taxes to support half the population. The whole thing is a sh!t sandwich.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/102931/increase-public-pressure-healthcare-reform.aspx Coming into the 2008 election nearly 3/4 of American voters thought the health care system was in crisis or had major problems, they wanted something done about it, it was identified by voters as the second most important issue, after Iraq, in the 2008 elections. You might want to check with reality, and stop parroting the nonsense you are being fed. Obama Care is being implemented, and people like it, and it's working. And it will work better than what we had. And that's what has the right wing noise machine all in a tizzy, because this won't be an issue in 2016, it will be considered a success by then, and the GOP candidate will have the baggage of all those silly things he said about Obama Care being a train wreck.
Give me a current poll and get up to speed on the current events. Strong liberal allies namely the AFL-CIO are bailing. Everyone wants a waiver or special treatment. No one will be left to pay into this Sh!t Sandwich except for a few sucker coolade drinkers like yourself. Or are you looking for a way out too? "Don't tax me - Don't tax you - Tax that guy behind the tree.
A current poll? My reference was to the congress that was elected in 2008 and to public opinion at that time, and public opinion at that time wanted something done about health care coverage. Everyone wants waivers? there are 1231 waivers, not very much in country with 350 million people and 1.2 million firms that are large enough to be impacted by ACA, but if you want to define 1 out of 1000 as "everybody", you might have a point. The fact is 99.9% of companies covered by the ACA, aren't getting waivers. There are things that need to be ironed out, things that need to be fixed, that is true of any significant piece of legislation, but Obamacare is going to rank with Social Security and Medicare, as one of the most popular pieces of legislation on the books. What you have to understand is that 4 in 10 Americans don't even know the ACA is law, 8% think Congress repealed it, 5% think the Supreme Court threw it out, and 31% don't know if it's still the law. More to the point only 37% think defunding it would be a good idea, 57% (by coincidence the same % that know its the law) do not favor cutting off funds. Yes, 42% have an unfavorable view of the ACA as opposed to 37% that have a favorable view, but that 42% includes people who don't think the law goes far enough. http://kff.org/health-reform/poll-finding/kaiser-health-tracking-poll-august-2013/
Well this is what the 2014 elections will be about won't it? The majority of American's that will vote in this off year election are vehemently opposed to this crap law and will vote accordingly for people that will find a way to repeal or drastically change it. At the very least you can be sure, even with the present Congress, the IRS will not be enforcing this law. If we can defund the ACA we will defund the IRS.
wipe the foam off your chin, it's getting on the carpet. I've seen polling that shows the majority of Republicans OPPOSE defunding ACA. The majority of Americans are not "vehemently opposed" to the ACA. In the poll I cited (from august 2013) only 42% have an "unfavorable" view of the law. And a lot of them don't like the law because they feel it doesn't go far enough. There simply isn't a groundswell of disapproval that will sweep away ObamaCare, and the anti-ACA sentiment peaked in 2011, this will be a ho-hum in 2014, because it's easy to stir up discontent about the unknown, but once the law is fully in effect and most people see that it really doesn't have much effect on them at all, and that the effect it does have is maybe saving them a few bucks, they aren't going to go man the barricades over this issue.
