What's going on in Sweden?

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  1. custer

    custer New Member

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    Read on Reddit that natural Swede citizens will be the minority in 50 years.

    Is this true or bull(*)(*)(*)(*)?

    Can anyone confirm?

    Discuss
     
  2. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's probably true, and the Swedes will probably be slaves working and feeding their Islamic 'overlords' just like in the good old days. Then when their Islamic 'overlords' see that their hard working Swedish 'dhimmi/slaves' are prosperous, they will simply steal what they have... as they have been doing throughout history in the Middle East, Near East, Balkans, Caucasus, etc.
    :disbelief:
     
  3. HonestJoe

    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This kind of statement usually falls closer to the latter in my experience.

    You really can't make any kind of honest prediction over such a long period of time and they're usually dishonest, twisting short term figures to get the biggest population change over any old period then blindly extrapolating it out. I'm sure than if you took the demographic changes for any pretty much any nation between 1962 and 1963 then simply stretched it out for 50 years you won't get close to the reality of the population of that nation today.

    There's no real definition of "natural Swede citizens" anyway. Apparently they don't gather formal statistics on demographics by ethnicity, only by nationality and the largest non-Swedish group is Finnish. Whether "natural Swede citizens" form less that 50% of the population of that country in 50 years time doesn't really, in itself, say all that much.

    It's fairly clear what the statistic is intended to say of course, as your very first response makes perfectly clear. Such an ulterior motive only strengthens my suspicion of the claim.
     
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    ThirdTerm Well-Known Member

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    14.3% of the population in Sweden are foreign-born but only 9.2% of them were born outside the European Union, including the US and Canada, and the rest of the foreign-born residents in Sweden are from other EU member states. The percentage of the non-white population in Sweden is still less than 9% or 850,000 but ancient Asian migrants left their genetic imprint on the modern Swedish population and 14.5% of them belong to haplogroup N, which also can be found at high frequencies among Northern Asian populations.

     
  5. mutmekep

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    13% of Luxembourg's population are Portuguese , you know people inside the union move here and there ...

    I like the part where people leaving islamist countries because they hate living under theocratic laws are islamists...
     
  6. SAUER

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    The Europeans are facing an era of vast social change. The demographic time bomb (in Brussels, the top baby boys' name recently was Mohamed) transforming Europe and the things what we take to mean by European culture and society.
     
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    So you see children, it doesnt really matter if sweden becomes islamic because theres no such thing as a "real swede" to begin with.

    .......................what is wrong with you? What happened to you that made you like that?
     
  8. HonestJoe

    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I didn't say anything of the sort. Exactly the kind of dishonest trash I'm talking about though.

    I said that the term "natural Swede citizens" has no specific definition (hence how can you say how many there are, let alone predict how many there will be?). I didn't say there is no such thing, only that there is no clear definition, certainly not one that has been presented. I sure you could come up with one but whatever it was, I'm also sure there would be people in Sweden who would disagree with it one way or another.

    I didn't say anything about Islam at all - the OP was talking about racial (in fact national) identity, not religion and as the current demongraphics show, there is no (legitimate) reason to assume that "not Swedish" means Muslim.

    I was brought up to be honest and I'm honestly sorry you feel there is something wrong with that.
     
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    litwin Well-Known Member

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    who is a natural American?
     
  10. mutmekep

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    Unfortunately those people saw their lands turning into Jesusland due to uncontrolled illegal immigration
     
  11. SAUER

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    How Whites Took Over America

    [video=youtube;SnmBmzoV5hY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnmBmzoV5hY[/video]
     
  12. SAUER

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    Btw Is there a possibility that the newcomers can integrate successfully in the European community? There are the huge religious, cultural differences and unfortunately the practice says that even the second and third generations of migrants which were born in Europe can’t or don’t want to do it.
    [video=youtube;ZDKk15KcqNk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDKk15KcqNk[/video]
    [video=youtube;9D9oBDvb970]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D9oBDvb970[/video]

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    Btw Is there a possibility that the newcomers can integrate successfully in the European community? There are the huge religious, cultural differences and unfortunately the practice says that even the second and third generations of migrants which were born in Europe can’t or don’t want to do it.
    [video=youtube;ZDKk15KcqNk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDKk15KcqNk[/video]
    [video=youtube;9D9oBDvb970]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D9oBDvb970[/video]
     
  13. mutmekep

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    What exactly is a "huge difference" ?
    Here on the Balkans we were always between east and west so in general people are able to fit in and we are able to fit in in multiple societies.
    South Europe is (or was before the crisis) easy going so an African would have much less trouble to assimilate than say a Dutch .
    Exotic christians from Ethiopia look much more weird dress wise than muslims with long sleeves .

    What i am trying to say is that there is no standard but multiple variables that change from country to country , i would die from boredom anywhere outside the big cities in France yet i had really good time in Tunisia .
     
  14. SAUER

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    Huge religious, cultural differences. In my view those videos ^ reveal it.
    Yes your were always between east and west and I remember that you always have had a very specific relationship with Turkey.
    Exotics is a minor question here. The conflicts, mass disturbances as in London, Paris, Sweden etc number of crimes committed by migrants are a really acute problem.
     
  15. mutmekep

    mutmekep New Member

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    Many of those videos are made by questionable people and in Europe we have a word for them...
    May i ask where are you from and how much have you traveled around? i am asking because some cities in Europe are both very diverse and with low crime like from example Antwerp and Amsterdam .
    We had two wars with Turkey and we are NATO allies... no other special relation i can recall .

    Mass disturbances and conflicts are always caused by locals, there was a big protest by Pakistanis 2 years ago here and they also burnt a car , for the news it was "immigrants doing it" but if you read along the lines they were protesting because nazis have beaten a couple of their compatriots to death.
    Just because they come from developing world it does not mean that they are idiots to cause trouble in a foreign country , i wouldn't do it , you wouldn't do it so why they would when not provoked?
     
  16. SAUER

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    Lol who are these questionable people and don’t you think that there’re too much the same videos lately?

    Of course. Russian Federation. :)

    Enough.:)

    Yes , but some cities in Europe have pretty high criminal rate and often so called ethnic criminal groups play first fiddle there.

    Yes but I mean that they pressed you during some centuries and it doesn’t looks like that you were able to fit in multiple societies.

    Negative. They permanently make mass disturbances and conflicts (I mean that they are initiators of these things). Multiculturalism doesn’t work. And this is the fact. A lot of ppl including European leaders already say it in public. Not long ago I have a conversation with a French police officer. He works “on the ground” in a suburb of Paris and he told about hard situation there – the very criminal place. And how do you think who are the main figurants of the local criminal news? The local Frenchmen are trying to move from this town because there are too many “new Frenchmen” now.

    It’s just demagogy. :bored: Look the criminal stats or news. Who are the main figurants of the criminal news in European cities?
     
  17. mutmekep

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    nazis

    Russian federation has like 100 different nationalities if multiculturalism has failed how come your federation still stands ?


    There is no such thing as "ethnic criminal groups" , back when Athens's population was 100% Greek criminal activities were held by a population coming from southern Peloponnese , after we had Albanians, Russians, Romanians ( note that all of them are European ...and there isn't any cultural gap between us and other fellow Balkanians) . Yes Africans have lots of underage prostitutes and this is all.
    Criminal groups need to have some short of close association to function , sometimes it is race, beliefs, nationality or just geographical proximity not culture .

    Turkey is less than 100 years old, what centuries ?


    No they do not when not provoked or marginalized , why the police in France does not crack down in ethnic Romanians but they do hunt Romanian Tsigani ? they are racists plain and simple. Moving from your city because you don't like the faces you see means that you are a racist .


    Banksters ?
    I doubt that anything can compare with males in big numbers beating each other senseless because of football...
     
  18. SAUER

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    So, you think that the local media which cover these events (mass disturbances, violence etc), eyewitnesses of these events, and even lawbreakers, the heroes of these events which make these videos themselves and then send their stuff to YouTube are Nazis? The interesting logic indeed.

    The kings of pickup >
    [video=youtube;NQ5QZpiKBkk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ5QZpiKBkk[/video]

    And don’t you think that there’re too much the same videos with migrants which take part in the mass disturbances / commit crimes lately?

    There are the nice examples when the nations of Russian Federation live side by side during some centuries in harmony. But unfortunately we have many negative ones. For example there is a pretty hard situation with the North Caucasus. Now, not only Caucasian separatists but more and more Russians want to separate this region from Russia. Two Chechen wars and international conflicts on the post-Soviet space show how multiculturalism works there. Russia took too much nations and still can’t digest them. EU has the same situation with migrants now.


    The migrants from Africa Asia etc still prefer the Western Europe and not Greece. And there are many Arabian, Kurdish, organized criminal groups, the organized criminal groups composed of natives of Africa etc.

    I meant Turkey - the Ottoman Empire which pressed you during some centuries and it doesn’t look like that you were able to fit in multiple societies.

    And how do you think why they permanently deport Romanian Tsigani from France? Frenchmen are racists plain and simple?

    Yes, there are some racists in the police but not all policemen are the racists and not all racists are the policemen. The police are a part of our society. And the police ain’t more racist organization than the society at all.

    In my view people moving from their towns because they don’t want to live side by side with “new Europeans” which don’t like to work because they prefer take welfare and to earn a living as criminals/pushers. The ordinary people usually prefer comfort and safety and not the fine words about multiculturalism/racism etc.


    Yes, but not only banksters. Unfortunately often migrants take part in the drugs trafficking, street crime, mass disturbances etc and these things really make the local people nervous and can be the immediate causes of nationalism/ neonazism in Europe.

    [video=youtube;cxTC4rt6WlI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxTC4rt6WlI[/video]

    [video=youtube;jso86ByuC_o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jso86ByuC_o[/video]
     
  19. Mr. Swedish Guy

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    questionable people you say? Those words comming from a communist is a bit funny I'd say!

    OP: I don't remeber all numbers in my head, but it's just simple math and common sense that if you have a native population with very low birth rates, and an immigrant population that has a high one + very high annual immigration that the swedes will shrink as a percentage. No one can deny that. That is of course if the current trends continue, which isn't guaranteed.
     
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    Sorry lol, i have said it several times.. the "white" swedes will shrink as a percentage & the Muslims in 20-25 years will rule Sweden.
    Your children will be minority under shariah laws !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    You may call those profits BS, but this will surely happen . Sooner than you think !!!
    BTW - the Muslim danger will spread to norway, finland, france and other so called "immigration polited" countries.
    Europe is loosing tha battle !!!!!!! Open your eyes people !!!!!!
     
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    You do realise that I argued FOR that swedes are indeed shrinking as a percentage right? (provided that current trends stay the same).

    Europe isn't losing the battle, the battle was fought a long time ago. The battle was an intellectual one, and sadly the new left inspired by marxism won. An unholy alliance between leftists and liberals in order to once and for all crush the conservatives.. The muslims comming wouldn't be a problem at all for a europe that was strong and proud, but that we are not.
     
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    So we agree that in the next generation, Origin Europians will be a minority under shariah Muslim laws .
     
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    Yes, some European cities have growing crime rates from 'questionable' elements. Can you guess who some of the worst perpetrators are? That's right, Russians.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22310575
     
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    The term “Russian mafia” is too wide. There are not only Russian gangsters but also gangsters from other post-Soviet countries (Georgia, Armenia, Ukraine etc) but westerners call them “Russian mafia” too.
    However I understand what you mean. Yes, this is an acute problem. The Western Europe became Mecca for criminal scum from around the world. Take courage. The troubles have come.
     
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    anyone from the east Europe who wight more then 78 kg and dont speak English well is “Russian mafia”, but Brits suck dic¤s to the real mafia men like abramovich, berezovsky, etc.
     

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